[OSM-ja] [Tagging] Religious-neutral tags needed for religious objects/non-church places

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

すみません書き忘れました。
議論を追いたい方むけに、オリジナルのスレッドはこちらです。

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-June/017797.html




2014-06-19 12:58 GMT+09:00 Satoshi IIDA <nyampire ＠ gmail.com>:

>
> いいだです。
>
> ちょっと前の話題になってしまいますが、
> 日本で道路脇などにある小さなやしろについて、
> 「これって wayside_shrineじゃないの？
> でも、OSM wikiページにはキリスト教限定ぽいことが書いてあって困る」という趣旨のメールがでていました。
>
> ざっくりとではありますが、これはOSM wikiの書き方が悪い、ということで、
> 宗教に関係なく historic=wayside_shrineタグを使って大丈夫のようです。
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine
>
> historic=wayside_shrine
> religion=shinto
>
> というかんじです。
> お稲荷さんとかはこういった小さな社、多いですね。
> あと、この shrineは "やしろ"の意味になります。"神社"に限定するものではありません。
> (他にもいくつか提案がありましたが、そちらはまだカッチリ決まってない印象)
>
> 個人的には、お地蔵さんや庚申塔なんかもこのタグにしたほうがいいかなぁ、と思っているのですが、
> 日本のHow to Map Aのページの内容とバッティングするので、
> こちらはどうしたものかな、と思っています。
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:How_to_map_a
>
>
> また、神社の鳥居について、こちらは現在 barrier=gateで書かれていることが多いようですが、
> 実際には通行を阻害しない地物であるため、
> man_made=shinto_gate あるいは man_made=gate に
> 変えたほうがよいのではないか？という意見があります。
>
> 僕はそちらのほうがリーズナブルだな、と思っているのですが、どうでしょうか？
> (man_made=torii、というのも考えましたが、
> 神社は台灣にもあったりするので、shinto_gateのほうが国際的にわかりやすいかな、と思っています)
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: johnw <johnw ＠ mac.com>
> Date: 2014-06-13 9:26 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [Tagging] Religious-neutral tags needed for religious
> objects/non-church places
> To: strategy and related tools Tag discussion <tagging ＠ openstreetmap.org>
>
>
> Hey guys - I had a question about tagging "wayside shrines." The wiki
> posits that they are Christian, but I want to use them for another
> religion. This led me to think about other religion-neutral tags main tags,
> and using a subtag for the object.
>
> here in Japan, there are probably tens of thousands of reeeaally small
> (Shinto) shrines and (occasionally Buddhist) temples. They are usually
> along roads, but sometimes hiking trails as well. The shinto ones are
> usually for natural beauty - this one is probably for this waterfall,
> though I could be mistaken. This one is 2mx2m. if you open it, there is
> just stuff inside, there isn't room for a person. This one is also fairly
> elaborate, with a gate, bridge and stairway, but others are just a small
> shed (sometimes less than 1m sq) and disused. If it wasn't religious, I'd
> tag most of them as a simple shed.   They get placed all over, but here in
>  rural Japan I find them on mountainsides, hilltops, and near bridges and
> lakes. In theory, besides the buddhist statuses and shinto gates, there are
> also really really tiny shines, about the size of a large trash can as
> well, but right now I'm just talking of something similar to what is in the
> picture.
>
> To me, this is also a "wayside shrine."  Am I right?
>
>
> Speaking of gates, some Japanese OSM mappers are mistakenly tagging
> barrier:gate onto shinto gates (when it is in no way a barrier) - as if
> people were tagging Highway=crossing onto Christian crosses.
>
> Man_made=cross or historic=wayside_cross similarly is geared for Christian
> religion, but there are millions upon millions of Shinto Gates and small
> figures of Buddha (ones you wouldn't think of as "statues", like the big
> copper buddha at Kamakura) - but the existing tags are not
> religious-neutral and paired with the religion tag or a subtag to handle
> these; ie manmade=ReligiousSymbol, religiousSymbol= Wayside Cross, Shinto
> Gate, Buddha Statue, Spaghetti Meatball, etc....
>
> I know that There must be many other symbols in other religions used
> regionally that I don't know of, so having an expanding sub-tag is better
> than filling up historic=, building=, and manmade= with more and more
> narrow tags as OSM gets more detail added from non-christian areas.
>
> Javbw
>
> Roadside shrine on the road to Kusatsu, Gunma - Winter 2009.
>
>
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