[Talk-ko] DAUM as a source

[Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung]

The relation for candidate replacement map is now up:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2514020

Bing map's data has a slight southeast offset, so I accounted for that.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung <
wesley96 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On further inspection, I think the old rendition of the islands suffer
> from incorrect position and size, and the small islets at the northwestern
> side is shown as a terrible artifact. With DWG's permission, I'd like to
> fix this and the incorrect data I mentioned below. I'll be depending mostly
> on the low-res Bing aerial in order to stay legal (national law or OSM
> license wise), but it should be better than what's there right now.
>
> I'll place my nodes and ways without any tags at first, so it doesn't
> render on the map. I'll switch over when there's an okay sign.
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung <
> wesley96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I checked the reverted data now, and it's back when the Japanese users
>> tampered with it. The following need to be fixed like this:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1204196634/history
>>
>> This node should revert to version 1.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1204196646/history
>>
>> This node should revert to version 3.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1275586993/history
>>
>> This node should be deleted.
>>
>> These changes should put the data back to the point before Japanese users
>> such as "takeshima" started tampering with the area.
>>
>> 나의 iPhone에서 보냄
>> Wesley (OSM: Namuori)
>>
>> 2012. 10. 19. 14:27 Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> 작성:
>>
>> It’s CC BY-SA and not ODbL compatible. There’s the additional problem
>> that it appears to be derived on a map from a South Korean maritime survey
>> institution and a map published by dkbnews, so even if the author gave
>> permission it’s not all his work.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think there’s a previous less accurate version of the coastline in the
>> history but I’m having trouble finding it. If I can find it, I’ll restore
>> that. It might take a couple of days before I can find it – retrieving
>> history is somewhat of a pain. The area has gone through a **lot** of
>> edits deleting and restoring objects.
>>
>>
>>
>> I did restore the ferry route tagging.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung [mailto:wesley96 at gmail.com<wesley96 at gmail.com>]
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:00 PM
>> *To:* Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ko] DAUM as a source
>>
>>
>>
>> According to sanha, he doesn't read mailing lists, and he doesn't want to
>> get into too much legal rambling.
>>
>>
>>
>> The .osm file sanha made to replace the Daum-sourced map is based on this
>> map:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/File:Dokdo_zoomin.png
>>
>>
>>
>> The legal information is there in English. Would this be made to be
>> compatible with ODbL?
>>
>> The "spirit" seems to be, at least to me. Sadly, according to sanha, the
>> creator is hard to get in contact with.
>>
>>
>>
>> How should we go about this?
>>
>>
>>
>> 나의 iPhone에서 보냄
>>
>> - Wesley (OSM: Namuori)
>>
>>
>> 2012. 10. 19. 12:36 Changwoo Ryu <cwryu at debian.org> 작성:
>>
>> I sent a message explaining those to that mapper.
>>
>> Actually uploading DAUM data to OSM is more dangerous in Korea than
>> you think. All online map services in Korea (even Google map) are
>> based on data mapped by the government. And those government data
>> can't be exported without approval by a law. (Well it's because...
>> north korea and national security.. at least the government think so.)
>> One who violate that law can be put in jail for up to 2 years.
>>
>> 2012/10/19 Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com>:
>>
>> Apologies for the message in English, but if I knew Korean I wouldn't need
>>
>> to send it.
>>
>>
>>
>> The DWG was informed that a Korean mapper
>>
>> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sanha) had used DAUM as a source.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm dealing with redacting the relevant changesets, but the mapper doesn't
>>
>> speak English and I don't speak Korean so we're communicating through
>> Google
>>
>> translations.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if someone could contact him and explain
>>
>>
>>
>> - Why DAUM or Google can't be used as sources
>>
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>
>> - How we're on ODbL now, not CC BY-SA
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Norman
>>
>>
>>
>> For the Data Working Group
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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