[Talk-ko] Talk-ko Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1

[황민우 Minwoo Hwang]

In case of Korean, Droid Sans font is easy to read than Unifont.
Droid sans is more simple and make clarify the distinction between line and
line.
I really thank you for your help.


2014/1/12 <talk-ko-request at openstreetmap.org>

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>    1. CJK fallback fonts - testing needed (Paul Norman)
>    2. Re: CJK fallback fonts - testing needed (Robert Helvie)
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> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: "Paul Norman" <penorman at mac.com>
> To: <talk at openstreetmap.org>, <talk-ja at openstreetmap.org>, <
> talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:19:10 -0800
> Subject: [Talk-ko] CJK fallback fonts - testing needed
> Right now the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a
> fallback font to render Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK) characters,
> as well as any other characters not present in the DejaVu font. Unifont
> is mainly designed to support all characters, and is not designed to
> look good.
>
> I'm looking at Droid Sans Fallback, a free font developed for Android,
> and evaluating if it would be a better fallback font than Unifont.
> Because I don't read Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I could use help.
>
> I have prepared a demo at http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html with
> three layers: conventional OSM.org, tiles without any fallback font, and
> tiles using Droid Fallback as a fallback font.
>
> What I would like is for people to look at the difference between the
> conventional OSM.org and Droid Fallback tiles and see which is easier to
> read for the CJK glyphs. The tiles without any fallback font can be used
> to find areas where DejaVu doesn't have glyphs and the fallback font is
> being used.
>
> Some examples
>
> Japanese cities:
> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247
>
> Japanese train stations:
> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325
>
> Korean cities: http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22
>
> Chinese tourist attraction:
> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48
>
> Please keep in mind that
>
> - My server is not nearly as powerful as tile.osm.org, so renders slower
>   and has less cached data
> - Only Asia is loaded on my server
> - The data is a couple of days old and isn't being updated
>
> I would like some feedback on if Unifont or Droid Sans Fallback looks
> better. Please keep in mind that I don't read the languages being rendered.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com>, Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:54:49 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] CJK fallback fonts - testing needed
> IMO the Droid font looks better for Hangul (Korea).
> It is only a slight improvement in that the text is slightly darker than
> the respective text of Unifont, but it does make things easier to read. And
> at the smallest size, the Hangul is definitely more readable.
>
> Hangul is more open (empty space) than the Chinese, though so I am not
> sure if that darker value will make Chinese harder to read.
>
> Personally I think the Korean (Hangul) text is a bit small and could maybe
> go up a point, but again, just my opinion.
>
> Thanks for looking out for us folks.
>
>
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>
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Right now the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a
>> fallback font to render Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK) characters,
>> as well as any other characters not present in the DejaVu font. Unifont
>> is mainly designed to support all characters, and is not designed to
>> look good.
>>
>> I'm looking at Droid Sans Fallback, a free font developed for Android,
>> and evaluating if it would be a better fallback font than Unifont.
>> Because I don't read Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I could use help.
>>
>> I have prepared a demo at http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html with
>> three layers: conventional OSM.org, tiles without any fallback font, and
>> tiles using Droid Fallback as a fallback font.
>>
>> What I would like is for people to look at the difference between the
>> conventional OSM.org and Droid Fallback tiles and see which is easier to
>> read for the CJK glyphs. The tiles without any fallback font can be used
>> to find areas where DejaVu doesn't have glyphs and the fallback font is
>> being used.
>>
>> Some examples
>>
>> Japanese cities:
>> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247
>>
>> Japanese train stations:
>> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325
>>
>> Korean cities: http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22
>>
>> Chinese tourist attraction:
>> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48
>>
>> Please keep in mind that
>>
>> - My server is not nearly as powerful as tile.osm.org, so renders slower
>>   and has less cached data
>> - Only Asia is loaded on my server
>> - The data is a couple of days old and isn't being updated
>>
>> I would like some feedback on if Unifont or Droid Sans Fallback looks
>> better. Please keep in mind that I don't read the languages being
>> rendered.
>>
>>
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