[Talk-ko] Questionable imagery

최규성 kyusung.choi at gmail.com
Fri Feb 10 13:05:14 UTC 2017 

Dear Robert and To whom it may concern,


Upon Robert's request as below, I contacted with Mr. Hwang who raised
Robert's concern.

Due to his time-sharing constraint, I could correspond with him only
through OSM message system instead of phone call.

I delivered Robert's concerns, which were regarded valid, as strictly as
possible. And, this morning he replied as follows:
- He fully acknowledges Robert Helvie's note and Kyu-sung Choi's reminder
as well.
- He said to take advantage of Vworld imagery and the associated map
services only to justify the street names.
- He committed not to use any longer questionable sources based on public
survey results but to take advantage of imagery that comes with OSM.
- He appreciated the reminder of the concerns.
- He wished OSM community's development even in the future...

I evaluate that Mr. Hwang appreciates Robert's concern with sincerity. And,
this action reinforced his OSM contribution in the right course of work.

Best regards,


Kyu-sung Choi

2017-02-08 11:15 GMT+09:00 <talk-ko-request at openstreetmap.org>:

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> From: Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>
> To: "Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org" <Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 00:37:16 +0900
> Subject: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know this user? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%
> A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>
> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am
> happy to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>
> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for
> mapping with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is
> pulling the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do#
> (pretty ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or
> Bing, but it may not legally be usable with OSM.
>
> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the
> imagery on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be
> compatible for use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or
> locate business, then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not
> compatible and could put OSM in jeopardy.
>
> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he
> uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>
> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more
> about the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally),
> that would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
>
> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: "Yongmin H." <lists at revi.pe.kr>
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:00:38 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> Hello,
>
> Website's 'Legal Notice'[1] says '지도는 측량 수로조사 및 지적에 관한 법률 제14조, 제15조 및
> 제16조에 의거 국토교통부 장관의 허가 없이는 복제, 국외 반출 및 본 지도를 이용한 다른 지도의 간행을 금하고 있습니다.',
> which translates to 'The map (in this webpage) is prohibited from copying,
> redistribution, and/or taking out the map outside the country without
> explicit consent of the Minister of Land, Infrastructure, and Transport
> according to the [act]'.
> I do not think he is legally allowed to distribute the maps from that site.
>
>
> [1] : http://map.vworld.kr/map/po_wcmapuse_a005.do (Written in Korean)
>
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> 2017. 2. 8. 00:37 Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com> 작성:
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know this user? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%
> A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>
> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am
> happy to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>
> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for
> mapping with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is
> pulling the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do#
> (pretty ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or
> Bing, but it may not legally be usable with OSM.
>
> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the
> imagery on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be
> compatible for use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or
> locate business, then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not
> compatible and could put OSM in jeopardy.
>
> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he
> uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>
> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more
> about the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally),
> that would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
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> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: Changwoo Ryu <cwryu at debian.org>
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:11:37 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> Hello,
>
> The vworld site is running by the government 국토교통부. And you may know,
> "export" of government-driven map is a crime in Korea. Any data from
> this site should be avoided in OSM.
>
>
> 2017-02-08 0:37 GMT+09:00 Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anyone know this user?
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
> >
> > It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am
> happy
> > to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
> >
> > From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for
> mapping
> > with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is
> pulling
> > the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do# (pretty
> > ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing,
> but it
> > may not legally be usable with OSM.
> >
> > Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the
> imagery
> > on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible
> for
> > use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate
> business,
> > then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and
> > could put OSM in jeopardy.
> >
> > I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how
> he
> > uses it, but of course my message was in English.
> >
> > If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more
> about
> > the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally),
> that
> > would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert
> >
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> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 11:14:37 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery
> OK,
>
> Yeah, I figured it likely wasn't a viable source.
>
> I got a message back from him and he said he is only using it for
> reference, which is, I guess, OK as long as he doesn't actually use it to
> locate business or other things or try to make OSM look similar..
>
> I suggested he should probably not use it as a custom imagery source since
> that information goes into the changeset.
>
> But perhaps a Korean speaker could have a friendly chat with him to remind
> him, that might be helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert
>
> P.S. I forgot to mention the talk-ko list to him so you might want to do
> that, too.
>
>
> *"We should give meaning to life, not wait for life to give us meaning. "*
> ~ unknown
> ---
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Changwoo Ryu <cwryu at debian.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The vworld site is running by the government 국토교통부. And you may know,
>> "export" of government-driven map is a crime in Korea. Any data from
>> this site should be avoided in OSM.
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-08 0:37 GMT+09:00 Robert Helvie <alimamo at gmail.com>:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Does anyone know this user?
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9
>> >
>> > It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am
>> happy
>> > to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.
>> >
>> > From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for
>> mapping
>> > with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is
>> pulling
>> > the imagery from this site: http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do# (pretty
>> > ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing,
>> but it
>> > may not legally be usable with OSM.
>> >
>> > Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the
>> imagery
>> > on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be
>> compatible for
>> > use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate
>> business,
>> > then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and
>> > could put OSM in jeopardy.
>> >
>> > I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how
>> he
>> > uses it, but of course my message was in English.
>> >
>> > If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more
>> about
>> > the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally),
>> that
>> > would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Robert
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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