[Talk-ko] Someone is removing "sensitive" information
Yongmin H.
lists at revi.pe.kr
Fri Mar 3 18:08:07 UTC 2017
Hello,
Comments inline.
On 2017-03-03 18:00, 최규성 wrote:
>
> Dear Max and DWG members,
>
>
> This is a comment on the subject that <Someone is removing "sensitive"
> information>.
>
> As a resident in South Korea, I'm so afraid of its severity. There is a
> local regulation by Korean government that national security sensitive
> facilities/buildings (defined by government's discretion) must be
> removed from the maps and imagery. Someone seems to apply the regulation
> to the OSM data. I clearly understand Max's note that "If a building is
> visible on aerial imagery, then it may be mapped in OSM, no matter
> whether it is in a security area or not".
>
> However, I'm concerned that there exist attempts of extending to apply
> the local regulation even to OSM database.
>
I have created [[wiki:Ko:보안구역]] to let anyone interested in this area
contact with the user in question without language barrier, so they can
know what they're doing and their actions are not desirable here. It was
derived from changeset 46159124's comment by woodpeck. (Feedback and
edits are of course welcome.)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ko:%EB%B3%B4%EC%95%88%EA%B5%AC%EC%97%AD
for link to the wiki page.
>
> Upon Max's questions,
> /1. what are good tools to find more of this?/
> *> No idea*
> /2. what are the right steps to do if vandalism like this is detected?/
> *> Sending warning message for the first time and revert the changesets.
> At continued deletions, blocking the mapper from the access. This is my
> recommendation.*
> /3. can this be avoided in the future?/
> *> I'm not sure. I may last for the time being. I suspect it not
> executed by each individual but by some agreed group of people.*
> /4. is there a tool to get notified if someone changes a specific area?/
> *> No idea*
> /5. who has authority to revert? should I try to do this, but I
> might miss something./
> *> No expertise to recommend*
There is a script to rollback a changeset[1], and there're some scripts
to help reverting[2], but I haven't used the tools so I can't recommend
them.
[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Change_rollback
[2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Revert_scripts
> One more thing to note... The removed buildings have no relevance with
> Vworld. It is because that Vworld imagery is under strict control of the
> local regulation which had already censored the security sensitive
> building footprints. Does it make sense?
>
Vworld removal is for their license violation. This 'national security'
stuff is irrelevant, removing entries just for alleged 'national
security' is mere vandalism for us at OSM.
>
> Though I can't provide any powerful suggestions, I just wanted to share
> the situational awareness. If I can be some help, please let me know.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Kyu-sung Choi
>
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> 1. Re: Mailinglist in Korean? (Max)
> 2. Someone is removing "sensitive" information (Max)
> 3. Re: [Ticket#2017030110000095] Someone is removing "sensitive"
> information (Data Working Group)
> 4. Re: [Ticket#2017030110000095] Someone is removing "sensitive"
> information (Data Working Group)
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> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com <mailto:abonnements at revolwear.com>>
> To: "Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>"
> <talk-ko at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>>,
> data at osmfoundation.org <mailto:data at osmfoundation.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:46:15 +0100
> Subject: [Talk-ko] Someone is removing "sensitive" information
> Just stumbled upon tha the NIS headquarter and some other objects
> have been deleted again. That's at least the 3rd time now.
>
> user woodpecker has already left a message on some of the changesets.
>
> Comment from woodpeck 12 days ago
>
> Hello, in this changeset you deleted y couple of buildings and your
> comment says that you deleted them because they are in a security
> area. However, OSM does not generally respect specific national
> security interests with regards to mapping. If a building is visible
> on aerial imagery, then it may be mapped in OSM, no matter whether
> it is in a security area or not. Deleting such a building, as you
> have done here, can be interpreted as an act of vandalism on OSM.
> Please don't do that.
>
> Some of the affected changesets:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159124
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159124>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159410
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159410>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159815
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159815>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159870
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159870>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159916
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159916>
>
> probably more.
>
> the changeset comment is 건물삭제(보안구역) which translates to
> Removing buildings (Restricted areas)
>
> Questions:
> 1. what are good tools to find more of this?
> 2. what are the right steps to do if vandalism like this is detected?
> 3. can this be avoided in the future?
> 4. is there a tool to get notified if someone changes a specific area?
> 5. who has authority to revert? should I try to do this, but I might
> miss something.
>
>
> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: Data Working Group <data at otrs.openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:data at otrs.openstreetmap.org>>
> To: abonnements at revolwear.com <mailto:abonnements at revolwear.com>
> Cc: talk-ko at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:59:22 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] [Ticket#2017030110000095] Someone is removing
> "sensitive" information
> __
> Hello Max,
>
> thank you for writing. I will investigate the issue. It is however
> possible that some of the data you now see removed was also removed
> by us because users had illegally traced building footprints from
> "vworld" imagery. I'll keep you posted.
>
> Best regards
> Frederik Ramm
>
> --
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
> Data Working Group - data at osmfoundation.org
> <mailto:data at osmfoundation.org>
> --
> [Ticket#2017030110000095]
>
> 03/01/2017 17:46 - Max wrote:
> Just stumbled upon tha the NIS headquarter and some other objects have
> been deleted again. That's at least the 3rd time now.
>
> user woodpecker has already left a message on some of the changesets.
>
> Comment from woodpeck 12 days ago
>
> Hello, in this changeset you deleted y couple of buildings and your
> comment says that you deleted them because they are in a security area.
> However, OSM does not generally respect specific national security
> interests with regards to mapping. If a building is visible on aerial
> imagery, then it may be mapped in OSM, no matter whether it is in a
> security area or not. Deleting such a building, as you have done here,
> can be interpreted as an act of vandalism on OSM. Please don't do that.
>
> Some of the affected changesets:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159124
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159124>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159410
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159410>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159815
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159815>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159870
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159870>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159916
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159916>
>
> probably more.
>
> the changeset comment is 건물삭제(보안구역) which translates to Removing
> buildings (Restricted areas)
>
> Questions:
> 1. what are good tools to find more of this?
> 2. what are the right steps to do if vandalism like this is detected?
> 3. can this be avoided in the future?
> 4. is there a tool to get notified if someone changes a specific area?
> 5. who has authority to revert? should I try to do this, but I might
> miss something.
>
>
>
> ---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------
> From: Data Working Group <data at otrs.openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:data at otrs.openstreetmap.org>>
> To: abonnements at revolwear.com <mailto:abonnements at revolwear.com>
> Cc: Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ko at openstreetmap.org>,
> data at osmfoundation.org <mailto:data at osmfoundation.org>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:56:45 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] [Ticket#2017030110000095] Someone is removing
> "sensitive" information
> __
> Hi,
>
> I have undeleted the edits. It appears that the NIS HQ has a couple
> geometry problems (intersecting outers), maybe someone can have a
> look at it. The user hasn't deleted more "sensitive buildings"
> since I commented on his deletion of the NIS HQ so I hope he's got
> the message. If further deletions should occur, please notify me.
>
> Best regards
> Frederik Ramm
>
> --
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
> Data Working Group - data at osmfoundation.org
> <mailto:data at osmfoundation.org>
> --
> [Ticket#2017030110000095]
>
> 03/01/2017 17:46 - Max wrote:
> Just stumbled upon tha the NIS headquarter and some other objects have
> been deleted again. That's at least the 3rd time now.
>
> user woodpecker has already left a message on some of the changesets.
>
> Comment from woodpeck 12 days ago
>
> Hello, in this changeset you deleted y couple of buildings and your
> comment says that you deleted them because they are in a security area.
> However, OSM does not generally respect specific national security
> interests with regards to mapping. If a building is visible on aerial
> imagery, then it may be mapped in OSM, no matter whether it is in a
> security area or not. Deleting such a building, as you have done here,
> can be interpreted as an act of vandalism on OSM. Please don't do that.
>
> Some of the affected changesets:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159124
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159124>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159152>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159410
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159410>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159815
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159815>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159870
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159870>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159916
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46159916>
>
> probably more.
>
> the changeset comment is 건물삭제(보안구역) which translates to Removing
> buildings (Restricted areas)
>
> Questions:
> 1. what are good tools to find more of this?
> 2. what are the right steps to do if vandalism like this is detected?
> 3. can this be avoided in the future?
> 4. is there a tool to get notified if someone changes a specific area?
> 5. who has authority to revert? should I try to do this, but I might
> miss something.
>
>
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