[Talk-lt] Lithuania city/ town/ village names question

[J M]

Nerijus,
I just looked at an older wikipedia data dump I have. About 12,000
locations match names. I will do a small distance tolerance to see if I can
confirm any more. I didnt realize it would be so difficult to find a table
of names that aren't formal names, or the linking table. If that would
exist anywhere, it would save me tons of research time!

I appreciate your feedback and idea about the wiki data. Will help out if I
cannot find a full table.

Thanks!
Justin

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:30 PM Nerijus Šalkauskas <salkauskasn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's Wikipedia data. You write a name of a village into Lithuanian
> Wikipedia. You will most likely find coordinates to it (even if 0 residents
> live there and it's just farmland now). So you just import already open
> data into another database (that being OSM).
>
> That's my two cents.
>
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021, 18:43 J M, <justinelliotmeyers at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Aidas,
>> Thank you for the quick response and detailed information. You are
>> correct, OSM already has great data for locations in Lithuania. I am not
>> suggesting any update or modification. I am trying to figure out where the
>> names actually came from. Registrų Centras has different names than OSM -
>> where can I find the source of the OSM names? Is there a table somewhere
>> that has both versions? I hope this makes sense to you. I have been looking
>> for this for a few days and only found the
>> https://mapslt.maps.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=44dd199b6ce1490892a96f5a10075a92
>> data - but there isn't a source in that either, and I am not getting an
>> email response from them.
>>
>> Again, Thank You!
>> Justin
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:32 AM Aidas Kasparas <a.kasparas at gmc.lt>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Justin,
>>>
>>> Your intensions are good, but information from Registrų Centras has
>>> already been integrated into OSM. This endeavor was described by Tomas in a
>>> blog post. You can read google's translation of that post at
>>> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=lt&tl=en&u=https://blog.openmap.lt/2021/04/04/lietuvos-adresu-informacijos-ikelimas/
>>>
>>> Regarding Lithuanian names we should start from the fact that Lithuanian
>>> language extensively uses grammatical cases. I.e. instead of adding extra
>>> words like 'in', 'for', 'of', and so on, we change end of the word.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case#Lithuanian . In your
>>> example 'Kaunas' is the name of the city. Form 'Kauno' means 'of Kaunas'.
>>> 'm.' is short for 'miestas' -> 'city', so 'Kauno m.' is 'City of Kaunas'.
>>>
>>> You may find 'raj.' and 'sav.' next to the name of cities. From soviet
>>> times all territory was divided into municipalities -- called 'rajonas'.
>>> But biggest cities in LT had two municipalities. First, responsible for
>>> urbanized part -- city itself, using 'miestas', and second, countryside
>>> "donut" around the city -- using 'rajonas'. Recently some municipalities
>>> started to change official names from 'X rajonas' to 'X savivaldybė',
>>> literally, 'X self government', so, 'sav.'.
>>>
>>> Hope, this helps.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Aidas Kasparas
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2021-04-22 at 10:53 -0400, J M wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>> I am working on a mapping project in an attempt to map all cities,
>>> towns, and villages in Lithuania. I found two amazing resources:
>>> https://www.registrucentras.lt/p/1201
>>>
>>> https://mapslt.maps.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=44dd199b6ce1490892a96f5a10075a92
>>>
>>> The first dataset is official government data, with clear copyright/
>>> terms of use. The second dataset I believe is a ESRI company, with a
>>> derived dataset of this data, with incorporated census populations, and an
>>> additional name. I believe there are formal names for locations in
>>> Lithuania and then there are names that people use and are in wikipedia.
>>> Can you help me better understand location names in Lithuania?
>>>
>>> An example would be:
>>> Kaunas,Kauno,Kauno m.
>>> Marijampolė,Marijampolės,Marijampolės m.
>>> Šiauliai,Šiaulių,Šiaulių m.
>>> Mažeikiai,Mažeikių,Mažeikių m.
>>> Vilnius,Vilniaus,Vilniaus m.
>>> Panevėžys,Panevėžio,Panevėžio m.
>>> Alytus,Alytaus,Alytaus m.
>>> Klaipėda,Klaipėdos,Klaipėdos m.
>>>
>>> If you have any information, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Also, Does anyone know the terms of use/ copyright from the census
>>> agency village populations or gis data?
>>> Thank you!
>>> Justin
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