[Talk-lt] Pasiūlymas dėl OSM Lietuva socialino tinklo (ne Facebook)

[Rihards]

Thanks, as a Latvian community we are not strictly opensource software
project, but will consider seeking sponsorship as a community project.

An instance for a bigger region is a bit outside our ambitions for now -
that would be a major effort, that would also require coordination and
consensus between multiple communities.
It would also mean that each country gets one stream only - we currently
imagined splitting things a bit more in streams (for example, splitting out
the cycling infrastructure discussions).
This makes it easier to follow more narrow topics one might be interested
in, and might also serve as a marketing angle (people who are interested in
cycling stuff only are more likely to look at such a stream instead of
hunting for topics that are buried among dozens of tram, building, address
topics).
Not sure how a central instance could solve this problem.

BTW, looks like your sentence got cut?
"it has some resemblance to..."

As for the public archives, yes, we are hoping to use them - once we have
the self-hosted instance or sponsorship, as that does not seem to be
available with the basic free option.
Making a note, once we get to possible sponsorship, will ping you in case
of any difficulties :)

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 00:11, Simonas Kazlauskas <
talk-lt-openstreetmap at kazlauskas.me> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 at 15:18, Rihards <rihards at nakts.net> wrote:
> > Excuse my interruption in English, but I noticed you have a discussion on
> > a topic we have in the Latvian community right now as well :)
> >
> > We wanted to have something opensource, publicly accessible, and a
> > community member suggested Zulip.
>
> I can vouch for Zulip as somebody who has been using it extensively for
> both
> OSS work as well as at work. It has some snags compared to commercial
> solutions,
> such as the mobile app being not as great as e.g. Slack’s, but in my
> personal
> experience I have never been as happy using a modern chat tool as I am
> with
> Zulip.
>
> > It is 100% open source (not open core!), and there are hosted offerings.
> > We decided to try the free hosted option. When/if our community grows, we
> > will consider either moving to self-hosted, or seeking sponsorship (the
> > parent company offers full plans for free to opensource projects, and
> > possibly communities).
>
> FWIW zulip.com’s hosted standard plan is free for open source projects,
> which
> OSM would qualify I suspect. Worthwhile to reach out and see if they’d be
> willing to upgrade you all. See <https://zulip.com/for/open-source/>.
>
> > It's similar to Discord, but it's not "information black hole", which is
> > what I've heard people describe Discord as :)
> > It's like IRC on steroids - there can be streams and topics (we made
> topic
> > titles mandatory in our instance), images etc.
> > In our instance, posting :301: will replace it with the road sign
> > according to the road traffic law of Latvia, Overpass queries will be
> > automatically linked to Overpass Turbo, we have OSM and Github links in
> our
> > profiles and probably many more features.
> >
> > You can connect at https://osmlatvija.zulipchat.com (this does require
> > local/Github/Gitlab/Google account), or browse the public archive at
> > https://osmlatvija.github.io/zulip-archive/ .
> > In the future, if we get to the self-hosted/sponsored option, public
> > streams will make it even more appealing.
> >
> > Please feel free to join the (still small but growing) Latvian community
> > there, and there's a separate "Zulip" stream, in case you have some
> > questions about that tool.
>
> I think for Zulip to truly demonstrate its capabilities and be effective,
> it
> would need to be set up as a project/world-wide or at least a continental
> instance rather each country’s community maintaining their own for
> themselves.
> There are a couple reasons to do this, but most important one is that in
> Zulip
> the closest equivalent to a mailing list is a _stream_ rather than an
> _instance_[^1].
>
> With an instance common to all OSM communities, collaborators would only
> ever
> need to think about one URL and maintain just a single account, even if
> they
> were mapping Atlantica and wanted to chat with the Lunarians :) With such
> a
> setup onboarding new communities would be straightforward and whenever
> discussions are found to not fit into a particular community’s stream
> (e.g. for
> cross-cutting projects) a new project-specific stream could be created
> (much
> more easily compared to a new instance) too.
>
> Unfortunately, I have very little clout with the OSM project to truly
> drive a
> something as major as this, but maybe this message is going to be all
> that’s
> necessary is to convince somebody who has great powers with the OSM
> project as a
> whole to set something like this up ;)
>
> [^1]: This is another reason why Zulip might be a great option for the OSM
> communities – it has some resemblance to
>
> HNY,
> S.
>
> P.S. Zulip now supports a public viewing functionality out of the box.
> Look for
> a checkbox to enable that in the settings and you won’t need to maintain
> the
> GitHub pages archive.
>
> P.S.S. I might be able to get you some contacts to a person at Zulip. Feel
> free
> to contact me if interested, but no strong promises.
>


-- 
 Rihards
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