[OpenStreetMap talk-lu] Access restrictions

[Pierre Carier]

Hi,

in my opinion, the C 2 sign is a problem as it is described in our "Code de
la route". It is used on residential streets where it means that everybody
who lives there and everybody who has to do something in this street is
allowed to drive on it. But just try to do the same when it's used on a
track: the police will probably stop you because the only destination to
drive on it are farmlands, even if the track comes to an end in the
residential street you live. Therefore I added motorcar: agricultural. If
there was a second sign below, I added bicycle or horse:yes.

What's your opinion?

Pierre

2012/6/13 Loll <Loll78 at gmx.net>

>  Hi
>
> Hi do not think that it is a good idea to tag all those stuff.
> One should distinguish two things. The usability and the rights of access
> of the ways.
>
> Instead of tagging the vehicles which may USING those roads (which is
> sometimes a kind of subjective), one should tag the vehicles which are not
> allowed on those roads.
>
> Concerning the access, only those which are allowed should be tagged: In
> case of C2 sign, all vehicles are allowed if their destination is on that
> road (but perhaps not all vehicles can USE that way (due to their height,
> weight etc). If there are exceptions, the should be additional tagged.
>
> So for the navigation algorithm:
> It should not use those C2-marked roads for finding the way, except if the
> destination is on that road (or if a pedestrian mode is used, or, in
> combination with the bicycle sign, a bicycle mode is used ).
>
>
> In that case "Less is more"
>
> Loll78
>
>
>
> Pierre Carier said the following on 13/06/2012 20:33:
>
> Hi everbody,
>
>  The C 2 with the bicycle sign is often used for tracks, so I tagged with
> motorcar and motorcycle:agricultural and bicycle: yes. Many of your PC
> (Pistes cyclables) are indeed tracks with tracktype:grade1 but they are
> often tagged ass cycleways which does not allow any motor_vehicles at all.
> I think that for a very detailed use in routing software we have to add a
> tag for every kind of vehicles and avoid the access tag.
>
>  So for a secondary road for example: motorcar:yes, hgv: yes, no,
> destination, designated (there are no designated roads for hgv here),
> motorcycle:yes, moped: yes...etc.
>
>  What do you think about this?
>
>  best regards,
> Pierre
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/6/13 Matthijs Melissen <info at matthijsmelissen.nl>
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Many roads that are added in OpenStreetMap in Luxembourg are either only
>> accessible for local traffic ('riverains'), or not accessible for
>> vehicles at all. A lot of these roads are not yet tagged as such. This
>> causes trouble for both navigation software and people trying to
>> navigate using Mapnik. It would be nice if we could improve the map by
>> adding these access restrictions.
>>
>> I created a page on the wiki that explains the tags that can be used for
>> access restrictions in Luxembourg:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Luxembourg/Access_restrictions
>>
>> If you feel like, please help me in adding the access restrictions to
>> the map. It will be a great improvement for the users of the map!
>>
>> Also, please help with improving the wiki page, if you have any
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matthijs (Math1985)
>>
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