[Talk-ml] [HOT] Mali - Accessing and using data from the Malian Geographic Institute
Jean-Guilhem Cailton
jgc at arkemie.org
Jeu 2 Avr 12:52:14 UTC 2020
Dear Araba,
Yes, of course.
The suggestion would be to use this as a potential argument in a
discussion with the copyright holder (or holders?).
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
Le 02/04/2020 à 13:31, Araba Coulibaly a écrit :
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for your interventions and the connection. However, since
> the data are under protection whether at the level of the geographical
> institute of Mali or France. The ideal is to take attachment with
> them, we can not use in the free world.
>
>
> Le jeudi 2 avril 2020, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.org
> <mailto:jgc at arkemie.org>> a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> In case it could help to bring them to provide a right answer (at
> least from the ethical point of view, especially in current
> context of Covid-19 pandemics seriously threatening Africa…), you
> might want to invite them to read and meditate laws about Open
> Data in France (of which I am not a specialist, but I could help
> find some good ones), and Articles 223-6 and 223-7 of French Code
> Pénal:
>
> https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle=LEGIARTI000037289588&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180806
> <https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle=LEGIARTI000037289588&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180806>
> and
> https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do;jsessionid=98F33DC16BEA3EE871730C708A7E9E95.tplgfr28s_1?idArticle=LEGIARTI000006417781&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180806&categorieLien=id&oldAction=&nbResultRech=
> <https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do;jsessionid=98F33DC16BEA3EE871730C708A7E9E95.tplgfr28s_1?idArticle=LEGIARTI000006417781&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180806&categorieLien=id&oldAction=&nbResultRech=>
>
> To be used with care, of course.
> As late as possible, so that they won’t be frightened and stop
> listening.
> Only after trying the “being nice” way, as much as possible, and
> seeing that it doesn’t work.
> And only if you really need a “bad cop” side, after a “nice cop”
> approach failed, if you can see what I mean. ;)
>
> Hoping that this won’t be necessary.
> And that it’ll help if it finally turns out to be necessary.
> (If so, I happen to know a lawyer, who is fond of Justice, and who
> could help file a complaint in France.
> In case it ends up being really needed…)
>
> Take good care of Yourselves, and best wishes,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
> (In Toulouse, where sister company of IGN FI, IGN Espace, also
> subsidiary of French national mapping agency, IGN, is based.)
> See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGN_FI#Relationship_with_the_French_IGN
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGN_FI#Relationship_with_the_French_IGN>
>
> Copie à Hot-francophone, puisqu’il s’agit du Mali, dont le
> français est langue officielle.
>
> Et envoi aussi à Talk-ML, bien sûr.
>
>
>
> Le 02/04/2020 à 02:05, Enock Seth Nyamador a écrit :
>> Interesting and very good data source. Looping in @Nathalie
>> Sidibe <mailto:sidibenathalie27 at gmail.com> @Araba Coulibaly
>> <mailto:b.rabbah at gmail.com> @Emmanuel Bama
>> <mailto:bamaemmanuel at gmail.com> in Mali. The scanned map is
>> copyrighted to IGN, I believe they are the best institution to
>> talk to.
>>
>> Best,
>> Enock
>>
>> Le mer. 1 avr. 2020 à 23:52, Vincent Dawans <dawansv at gmail.com
>> <mailto:dawansv at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been working with a local NGO in Mali for about 10
>> years, in the Kayes region (west side of the country). Over
>> the years we have added to openstreetmap the names of the
>> villages we work in based on local knowledge.
>>
>> About a year ago I became aware of a mapping effort by the
>> French Geographic Institute that remapped the country from
>> 2012 to 2016. This was funded by the European Development
>> Fund (EDF). The end result produced printed maps at 1/200000
>> with quite a bit of details, with a scan available online at
>> http://www.igm-mali.ml/Visionneuse/
>> <http://www.igm-mali.ml/Visionneuse/>
>>
>> There is a LOT of detailed information here, including the
>> localization and names of villages across the country, many
>> of which are not currently on openstreetmap. Also there is a
>> lot of details on rivers, etc. It is actually quite
>> impressive. Unfortunately the web interface only allows to
>> explore the map and see the underlying data one object at a
>> time (by selecting specific layers for villages for
>> instance). The main website has a link to a “geocatalogue”
>> from which data could arguably be downloaded but
>> unfortunately the side doesn’t
>> load. http://www.igm-mali.ml/geocatalogue/
>> <http://www.igm-mali.ml/geocatalogue/>
>>
>> There is a presentation (in French) of the project on the
>> website of the French Geographic Institute:
>> https://www.ignfi.fr/fr/portfolio-item/cartographie-mali/
>> <https://www.ignfi.fr/fr/portfolio-item/cartographie-mali/>
>>
>> I have contacted the people from the French Geographic
>> Institute but they told me the project is closed and all the
>> data is with their Malian counterpart. Since the
>> “geocatalogue” is no longer online (probably for technical
>> reasons), I suspect it will be a challenge to get accessed to
>> that data. Considering the work was funded with public money
>> (EDF), I am thinking maybe it was published somewhere else? I
>> looked on https://data.humdata.org/ and it is not there. I
>> will keep looking...
>>
>> I can tell you that locally people do not even really know
>> that these maps exist. Some paper maps might have been
>> printed and distributed in Bamako, but it is not the best way
>> to disseminate that information in the rest of the country.
>> Openstreetmap is definitely better for that. It is a shame
>> that all that work was done and barely used. Still I will try
>> to have my Malian colleagues contact their local Geographic
>> Institute but I know it is going to be a slow process.
>>
>> Is anybody in the HOT community aware of that mapping effort
>> that took place in Mali? Is it typical for that kind of
>> publicly funded project to NOT share their data with the HOT
>> community?
>>
>> Still the data is available “manually” from
>> http://www.igm-mali.ml/Visionneuse/
>> <http://www.igm-mali.ml/Visionneuse/> (as long as the site is
>> up). What it not clear to me is whether I can legally use
>> that data to update openstreetmap manually. Considering this
>> was funded with public money, would the information be
>> considered public domain?
>>
>> Any help/pointers is appreciated since mapping is not my main
>> area of expertise.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Vincent Dawans
>> Senior Technical Advisor
>> Virtue Ventures
>>
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