[Talk-ml] [HOT] Mali - Accessing and using data from the Malian Geographic Institute

Jeu 2 Avr 11:31:29 UTC 2020

Dear All,

Thank you for your interventions and the connection.  However, since the
data are under protection whether at the level of the geographical
institute of Mali or France.  The ideal is to take attachment with them, we
can not use in the free world.

Le jeudi 2 avril 2020, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.org> a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> In case it could help to bring them to provide a right answer (at least
> from the ethical point of view, especially in current context of Covid-19
> pandemics seriously threatening Africa…), you might want to invite them to
> read and meditate laws about Open Data in France (of which I am not a
> specialist, but I could help find some good ones), and Articles 223-6 and
> 223-7 of French Code Pénal:
>
> https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle=
> LEGIARTI000037289588&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180806
> and
> https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do;jsessionid=
> 98F33DC16BEA3EE871730C708A7E9E95.tplgfr28s_1?idArticle=
> LEGIARTI000006417781&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180806&
> categorieLien=id&oldAction=&nbResultRech=
>
> To be used with care, of course.
> As late as possible, so that they won’t be frightened and stop listening.
> Only after trying the “being nice” way,  as much as possible, and seeing
> that it doesn’t work.
> And only if you really need a “bad cop” side, after a “nice cop” approach
> failed, if you can see what I mean. ;)
>
> Hoping that this won’t be necessary.
> And that it’ll help if it finally turns out to be necessary.
> (If so, I happen to know a lawyer, who is fond of Justice, and who could
> help file a complaint in France.
> In case it ends up being really needed…)
>
> Take good care of Yourselves, and best wishes,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
> (In Toulouse, where sister company of IGN FI, IGN Espace, also subsidiary
> of French national mapping agency, IGN, is based.)
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGN_FI#Relationship_with_the_French_IGN
>
> Copie à Hot-francophone, puisqu’il s’agit du Mali, dont le français est
> langue officielle.
>
> Et envoi aussi à Talk-ML, bien sûr.
>
>
>
> Le 02/04/2020 à 02:05, Enock Seth Nyamador a écrit :
>
> Interesting and very good data source. Looping in @Nathalie Sidibe
> <sidibenathalie27 at gmail.com>  @Araba Coulibaly <b.rabbah at gmail.com> @Emmanuel
> Bama <bamaemmanuel at gmail.com>  in Mali. The scanned map is copyrighted to
> IGN, I believe they are the best institution to talk to.
>
> Best,
> Enock
>
> Le mer. 1 avr. 2020 à 23:52, Vincent Dawans <dawansv at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been working with a local NGO in Mali for about 10 years, in the
>> Kayes region (west side of the country). Over the years we have added to
>> openstreetmap the names of the villages we work in based on local knowledge.
>>
>> About a year ago I became aware of a mapping effort by the French
>> Geographic Institute that remapped the country from 2012 to 2016.  This was
>> funded by the European Development Fund (EDF). The end result
>> produced printed maps at 1/200000 with quite a bit of details, with a scan
>> available online at http://www.igm-mali.ml/Visionneuse/
>>
>> There is a LOT of detailed information here, including the localization
>> and names of villages across the country, many of which are not currently
>> on openstreetmap. Also there is a lot of details on rivers, etc. It is
>> actually quite impressive. Unfortunately the web interface only allows to
>> explore the map and see the underlying data one object at a time (by
>> selecting specific layers for villages for instance). The main website has
>> a link to a “geocatalogue” from which data could arguably be downloaded but
>> unfortunately the side doesn’t load. http://www.igm-mali.ml/geocatalogue/
>>
>> There is a presentation (in French) of the project on the website of the
>> French Geographic Institute: https://www.ignfi.fr/fr/
>> portfolio-item/cartographie-mali/
>>
>> I have contacted the people from the French Geographic Institute but they
>> told me the project is closed and all the data is with their Malian
>> counterpart. Since the “geocatalogue” is no longer online (probably for
>> technical reasons), I suspect it will be a challenge to get accessed to
>> that data. Considering the work was funded with public money (EDF), I am
>> thinking maybe it was published somewhere else? I looked on
>> https://data.humdata.org/ and it is not there. I will keep looking...
>>
>> I can tell you that locally people do not even really know that these
>> maps exist. Some paper maps might have been printed and distributed in
>> Bamako, but it is not the best way to disseminate that information in the
>> rest of the country. Openstreetmap is definitely better for that. It is a
>> shame that all that work was done and barely used. Still I will try to have
>> my Malian colleagues contact their local Geographic Institute but I know it
>> is going to be a slow process.
>>
>> Is anybody in the HOT community aware of that mapping effort that took
>> place in Mali? Is it typical for that kind of publicly funded project to
>> NOT share their data with the HOT community?
>>
>> Still the data is available “manually” from http://www.igm-mali.ml/
>> Visionneuse/ (as long as the site is up). What it not clear to me is
>> whether I can legally use that data to update openstreetmap manually.
>> Considering this was funded with public money, would the information be
>> considered public domain?
>>
>> Any help/pointers is appreciated since mapping is not my main area of
>> expertise.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Vincent Dawans
>> Senior Technical Advisor
>> Virtue Ventures
>>
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