[Talk-mm] GPS devices in Myanmar
Thaung Su Nyein
thaungsunyein at gmail.com
Tue Jun 10 07:30:15 BST 2008
Neil,
1. Egress already has enough HR resources to field 50 GPS data capturing
teams of approximately 3 persons each. One lead person, plus 2 helpers
(guides) from local areas. Not all of them will be GPS / mapping experts
though. They will have to be trained quickly.
2. Based on suggestions, can we modify requirements list to read: 50 GPS
devices, 50 voice recorders and 50 digital cameras?
3. After this work is over, these devices can be presumably handed over to
other teams who are going out into the villages for aid relief, data
capture, etc. Wonder who knows how many GPS devices are in operation by NGOs
and other local authorities?
4. It'd be great to have volunteer trainers / mapping experts in Myanmar.
thanks,
tsn
P.S. Now I'm back in Yangon.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:44 AM, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Neil-
>
> Good news that we'll be able to ship devices directly into Myanmar. What
> are the current leads on donation and/or funding for equipment? Let me know
> if the OSM Foundation, or any introductions to potential corporate sponsors,
> would be helpful.
>
> -Mikel
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Neil Penman <npenman at au1.ibm.com>
> To: john.mckenzie at worldvision.com.au; kieran.scott at worldvision.com.au;
> R.Shamir at cfa.vic.gov.au; Kyaw Soe Hlaing <kshlaing at ait.asia>; Kyaw Soe
> Hlaing <kshlaing at ait.asia>; Chit Tun Pe <christophertun at gmail.com>
> Cc: Richard Rome <rrome at au1.ibm.com>; Ian Checkley <icheckle at au1.ibm.com>;
> Brett Henderson <brethend at au1.ibm.com>; Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com
> >
> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 5:23:41 AM
> Subject: Fw: GPS devices in Myanmar
>
> Guys,
>
> It looks like we should be able to ship GPS devices directly into Myanmar
> and Myanmar Egress will help clear through customs.
>
> The plan by MPCA is to use 50 teams each equipped with a GPS device to map
> several public spots in each of 2,500 villages in the disaster area over a
> period of 2-3 weeks. I'd treat this as the maximum number we would be
> looking for as it may not be possible to resource 50 data capture teams
> (Thaung can you confirm?). It may also be a good idea to start with a
> smaller number of devices (say 10) and make sure we get the data capture
> process working right before going to full scale. If possible the teams
> should also have digital cameras as the photographs would provide useful
> information and they are easily synchronised to the tracks produced by the
> GPS so that the photos would have accurate location information associated
> with them.
>
> The captured map data would be loaded into OSM and be available as maps for
> use in Sahana, as printed paper maps and to be loaded onto Garmin devices
> used by aid workers.
>
> I presume these teams will also be involved in acquiring data for input
> into Sahana.
>
> We will also need GPS devices for aid delivery workers so if we can't use
> all the GPSs for data capture we can put the remainder to good use.
>
> The types of devices we are looking for are any Garmin devices that can
> take OSM maps Garmin eTrex legend CX or HCx and Garmin 60CSX. Actually
> there are a broad range of devices that can capture GPS tracks and show OSM
> maps including most high end phones that have a GPS chip. So if we have to
> scrounge these from multiple sources we can.
>
> Issues:
> 1) Until we try and get some GPS devices into Myanmar and start using them
> we won't know for sure that its going to work. However it is looking
> promising.
> 2) The big outstanding issue is that we still have to source the GPS
> devices or sufficient funding to purchase them.
> 3) For training we should be able to get experienced mappers to volunteer
> to go to Myanmar to help train the data capture teams. I'd be happy to go
> for one.
> 4) Setting up Sahana and the Map servers including ensuring there is enough
> capacity on the hardware. This is being dealt with separately.
> 5) Network bandwidth. We think we can work with the bandwidth available
> using IPSTAR from the regions toYangon and low bandwidth links out of
> Myanmar from there.
>
> Thaung, I hope you had a good flight back to Yangon and I look forward to
> hearing from you.
>
> Regards
>
> Neil Penman
> IT Architect
> Global Business Services
>
> Phone : + 61 -3-864 65703
> Mobile: +61 402-975-959
> email: npenman at au1.ibm.com
>
> ----- Forwarded by Neil Penman/Australia/IBM on 09/06/2008 07:05 PM -----
>
> "Thaung Su Nyein"
> <thaungsunyein at gm
> ail.com> To
> "Kyaw Soe Hlaing"
> 09/06/2008 05:20 <kshlaing at ait.asia>
> PM cc
> Neil Penman/Australia/IBM at IBMAU,
> "Chit Tun Pe"
> <christophertun at gmail.com>
> Subject
> Re: GPS devices in Myanmar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Neil,
>
> After a brief discussion with people from Myanmar Egress, the best solution
> may be to send them directly from wherever to Myanmar, addressed to someone
> in Myanmar who will help us clear the items through customs. If shipment is
> confirmed, I'll give more details.
>
> thanks,
> tsn
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Kyaw Soe Hlaing <kshlaing at ait.asia> wrote:
> Dear TSN and Neil,
>
> It is OK for me to receive GPS(s) in Bangkok and forward it to Yangon.
>
> However, pls. consider Thai custom duties if you are importing from
> outside Thailand.
> Because of custom ditues, GPS price in Thailand is about 60% higher than
> abroad (e.g. Cambodia where there is no custom duties on GPS devices).
> Thus, I would suggest you to consider "sending through Thailand" as last
> option.
>
> If any WV person is travelling directly to Yangon, he/she can bring these
> GPSs as personal effects and Nargis Action Group Myanmar (NAG) can
> arrange customs clearance at YGN airport.
>
> Best,
> Kyaw
>
> ******************************************************
> Kyaw Soe Hlaing, Mr.
> Coordinator, Promotions and Alumni Relations
> Asian Institute of Technology (AIT)
> Room#242, AIT Admin Bldg.
> P.O.Box-4, Klong Luang
> Pathumthani 12120, Thailand
> Tel: 66 (0)2 524 5076
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thaung Su Nyein
> To: Neil Penman
> Cc: Chit Tun Pe ; Kyaw Soe Hlaing
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: GPS devices in Myanmar
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> I cc Mr Kyaw Soe Hlaing here, who is from AIT. He and AIT have been
> organizing the donation of equipment, and sponsoring of this project.
> He's based in Bangkok, so you could get the devices to him perhaps. Once
> in Ko Kyaw Soe Hlaing's hands, he will be able to use our channels to
> ship the GPS into Myanmar.
>
> Dear Ko Kyaw Soe Hlaing, I forward our past conversation so you can know
> the background of this email. Can you also advise us with regards to
> whether AIT could help this process? Or if need be, can AIT coordinate
> with WV?
>
> thanks very much,
> tsn
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Neil Penman <npenman at au1.ibm.com> wrote:
> This is great analysisThaung,
>
> Unfortunately we haven't managed to donate any GPS's yet to anyone.
> However we are working with WV to organise this. My aim is to get the
> GPS
> devices to you for use in mapping. I can't see this completing by the
> 12th so we will have to address how we delvier the units when we get to
> that point.
>
> Regards
>
> Neil Penman
> IT Architect
> Global Business Services
>
> Phone : + 61 -3-864 65703
> Mobile: +61 402-975-959
> email: npenman at au1.ibm.com
>
>
>
>
> "Thaung Su Nyein"
> <thaungsunyein at gm
> ail.com>
> To
> Neil Penman/Australia/IBM at IBMAU,
> 09/06/2008 06:02 "Chit Tun Pe"
> AM <christophertun at gmail.com>
>
> cc
>
>
> Subject
> Re: GPS devices in Myanmar
>
>
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> 1. If we can use the GPS devices for our mapping project, we can carry
> them
> into Yangon under our heading.
>
> 1a. There are approximately 2,500 villages in the disaster area. We sat
> down with a GIS expert and figured about 2-3 weeks will be needed for
> 50
> teams (total of 50 GPS devices), to go and mark a few public spots in
> each
> village. We based this on a rate of 3 villages per day per team. So, we
> will need 50 GPS devices.
> Can we take this opportunity and draw up a plan to OSM'ize the rest of
> Myanmar? There are
> 66,000 villages in Myanmar total.
> 1c. I'm leaving Monday 5:45pm with Thai Airways. If somehow, you were
> able
> to arrange this in time: I'll carry them into Myanmar myself. We have
> secured a way to do it.
> 1d. If not in time for me, but you still were able to arrange this: my
> friend, Mr Ye Myat Thu who is also in our team will go back to Myanmar
> on
> 12th. He can carry the devices in.
>
> 2. Creating maps for OSM should be fine. Since this (Sahana & OSM)
> might
> even turn out to be used by the authorities eventually, I don't see any
> situation where they will want to forbid it.
>
> 3. For their comm equipment, we might be able to point out some local
> repair shops which could do something for them.
>
> 4. We will of course, definitely be glad to have all NGO's be connected
> to
> the Sahana project, so we will do everything possible to help them.
>
> If you have anything urgent to ask or tell me, feel free to call my
> Thai
> mobile phone: (0)871087401. I'll be leaving for airport around 3pm Bkk
> time.
>
> thanks and best regards,
> tsn
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Neil Penman <npenman at au1.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris, Thaung,
>
> World Vision sent me an email in which they said that GPS devices are
> "not
> allowed in Myanmar". What is the situation as you understand it and
> can
> your group do anything to assist? In addition do you see any issues
> with
> creating maps for OSM within the country? Also World Vision say that
> they
> are having communication problems and are interested in what you guys
> are
> planning to use so there may be opportunities for your organisation to
> provide consulting there.
>
> Regards
>
> Neil Penman
> IT Architect
> Global Business Services
>
> Phone : + 61 -3-864 65703
> Mobile: +61 402-975-959
> email: npenman at au1.ibm.com
>
>
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