[OSM-np] Road standards

[bibekshrestha at gmail.com]

Hi Sakar,

IMO, highway=pedestrian describes the roads in and around Ason,
Patan-KTM-Bhaktapur durbar square more precisely than highway=living_street.

Both have limitations to vehicular movement. In pedestrian streets, it is
because these streets are used specially by people to move, in around
crowded market area. The vehicular movement is caused either by
restrictions imposed, may be vehicles are allowed at certain times only,
and that too for offloading goods. You can check out more description at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian

The restrictions in living_street are not just because of possible people
walking, but because these area allows for instance kids to play on the
streets, people could walk here more freely because they know the streets
are sparsely used by cars. IMO it means cars are free to take these streets
but they have to be extra attentive.

I cannot think of any examples for living_street in Nepal to be honest.
Most of them could be categorized into pedestrians. May be the quiet
streets around Bungamati, Khokana...

I know there is no clear cut difference here, for simplicity I would
propose we use pedestrian if vehicular movement is highly constrained by
cars.
Otherwise it is a residential road. Let's completely avoid living_street.
Makes live much more simpler.

Cheers
--
Bibek Shrestha
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Sakar Pudasaini <sakar at galligalli.org>wrote:

> Simple is good but not having a separate classification the streets around
> Ason and like areas seems like a step too far. They are in a conceptual
> category other than "residential"... they are crowded with pedestrians,
> with road side vendors etc who actually have priority over cars. From a
> purely practical perspective I'd want routing tools to avoid those kinds of
> streets... I mean you could push through those areas with a car, I've seen
> it done, but that does not make it a good idea.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Living_street says "Routing and
> navigation software *might* try to avoid such areas when navigating
> cars." So if we going to try and fit our requirements to western
> categories, this might be the best one we have. Unless of course there is
> an additional attribute that achieves the same effect.
>
> -s
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Rajeev Amatya <rajeevamatya at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>> Bibek and I worked on the road standards. We want to finalize it by
>> Friday. It would be a nice idea to make it as simple as possible, while
>> covering most of the common roads of Kathmandu and Nepal. We also talked to
>> OSMers in Munich and got some good feedbacks from them. Living Street is a
>> very European concept and probably does not apply to Nepal. Might be a good
>> idea to not use it at all. Also, most of the routing apps are based upon
>> European roads, so it would be a good idea to try to comply as much as
>> possible so that we use them with minimum code change.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal:Roads#Local_Roads
>>
>> Please have a look and start a discussion if you don't agree. But let's
>> get it done quickly. Thanks a lot.
>> Rajeev
>>
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