[OSM-np] Road standards

[bibekshrestha at gmail.com]

Some of the fantastic roads of Khokana, if you have been in one of these
you know you've been just put into a different century.
http://www.trektrips.net/information/226/khokana.html

Thoughts on the two roads? I'd suggest we go with highway=residential for
these too.
I mention these just to make it clear that we can avoid living_street.

Argument for highway=residential: These roads are primarily there
to provide access to houses.
A template like highway=residential; motorcycle=yes; bicycle=yes; lanes=1;
motorcar=yes/no depending upon if that can pass through say a maruti can
sufficiently tag these streets for routing purposes.

Comments?
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Bibek Shrestha
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM, bibekshrestha at gmail.com <
bibekshrestha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sakar,
>
> IMO, highway=pedestrian describes the roads in and around Ason,
> Patan-KTM-Bhaktapur durbar square more precisely than highway=living_street.
>
> Both have limitations to vehicular movement. In pedestrian streets, it is
> because these streets are used specially by people to move, in around
> crowded market area. The vehicular movement is caused either by
> restrictions imposed, may be vehicles are allowed at certain times only,
> and that too for offloading goods. You can check out more description at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian
>
> The restrictions in living_street are not just because of possible people
> walking, but because these area allows for instance kids to play on the
> streets, people could walk here more freely because they know the streets
> are sparsely used by cars. IMO it means cars are free to take these streets
> but they have to be extra attentive.
>
> I cannot think of any examples for living_street in Nepal to be honest.
> Most of them could be categorized into pedestrians. May be the quiet
> streets around Bungamati, Khokana...
>
> I know there is no clear cut difference here, for simplicity I would
> propose we use pedestrian if vehicular movement is highly constrained by
> cars.
> Otherwise it is a residential road. Let's completely avoid living_street.
> Makes live much more simpler.
>
> Cheers
> --
> Bibek Shrestha
> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
> Arthur, Inception 2010
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Sakar Pudasaini <sakar at galligalli.org>wrote:
>
>> Simple is good but not having a separate classification the streets
>> around Ason and like areas seems like a step too far. They are in
>> a conceptual category other than "residential"... they are crowded
>> with pedestrians, with road side vendors etc who actually have priority
>> over cars. From a purely practical perspective I'd want routing tools to
>> avoid those kinds of streets... I mean you could push through those areas
>> with a car, I've seen it done, but that does not make it a good idea.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Living_street says "Routing and
>> navigation software *might* try to avoid such areas when navigating
>> cars." So if we going to try and fit our requirements to western
>> categories, this might be the best one we have. Unless of course there is
>> an additional attribute that achieves the same effect.
>>
>> -s
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Rajeev Amatya <rajeevamatya at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>> Bibek and I worked on the road standards. We want to finalize it by
>>> Friday. It would be a nice idea to make it as simple as possible, while
>>> covering most of the common roads of Kathmandu and Nepal. We also talked to
>>> OSMers in Munich and got some good feedbacks from them. Living Street is a
>>> very European concept and probably does not apply to Nepal. Might be a good
>>> idea to not use it at all. Also, most of the routing apps are based upon
>>> European roads, so it would be a good idea to try to comply as much as
>>> possible so that we use them with minimum code change.
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal:Roads#Local_Roads
>>>
>>> Please have a look and start a discussion if you don't agree. But let's
>>> get it done quickly. Thanks a lot.
>>> Rajeev
>>>
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