[OSM-np] Road standards

Sat Aug 25 16:16:11 BST 2012

And final thought.... we might be able to piggy back our
primary/secondary/residential/service classifications using the road names.
Road names end in things like (here are the ones I observed): sadak, marga,
galli + (an outshoot of a marga, like the 660/x Araniko Marga example I
gave)

Likely, Sadak should be either a primary or a secondary road; marga should
be residential, and galli should be service or pedestrian.

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Prabhas Pokharel <
prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm happy with the proposition against a living_street: makes things
> simple + pedestrian is the right tag for durbar squares, and by analogy it
> makes sense.
>
> Had a question about gallis though (some of which are quite 'long' and
> provide almost through access to motorcycles) that I have put in the "Points
> of discussions<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Nepal:Roads#Points_of_discussion>"
> of the talk page, and copied below:
>
>
>    - From this description, gallis can either be highway=service or
>    highway=pedestrian. Some gallis are used for through access and are almost
>    residential "roads" for motorcycles, others are not. Should we use
>    highway=service for the former and highway=pedestrian for the latter?
>
>
>    - lanes = 1: in the US context, lanes = 1 means one lane per direction
>    (unless it is a one-way road). Our definition is counting lanes in both
>    directions. Is this consistent with the European standards (ie, on what
>    most routing apps with think)?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:01 PM, bibekshrestha at gmail.com <
> bibekshrestha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of the fantastic roads of Khokana, if you have been in one of these
>> you know you've been just put into a different century.
>> http://www.trektrips.net/information/226/khokana.html
>>
>> Thoughts on the two roads? I'd suggest we go with highway=residential for
>> these too.
>> I mention these just to make it clear that we can avoid living_street.
>>
>> Argument for highway=residential: These roads are primarily there
>> to provide access to houses.
>> A template like highway=residential; motorcycle=yes; bicycle=yes;
>> lanes=1; motorcar=yes/no depending upon if that can pass through say a
>> maruti can sufficiently tag these streets for routing purposes.
>>
>>  Comments?
>> --
>> Bibek Shrestha
>> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
>> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
>> Arthur, Inception 2010
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM, bibekshrestha at gmail.com <
>> bibekshrestha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sakar,
>>>
>>> IMO, highway=pedestrian describes the roads in and around Ason,
>>> Patan-KTM-Bhaktapur durbar square more precisely than highway=living_street.
>>>
>>> Both have limitations to vehicular movement. In pedestrian streets, it
>>> is because these streets are used specially by people to move, in around
>>> crowded market area. The vehicular movement is caused either by
>>> restrictions imposed, may be vehicles are allowed at certain times only,
>>> and that too for offloading goods. You can check out more description at
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian
>>>
>>> The restrictions in living_street are not just because of possible
>>> people walking, but because these area allows for instance kids to play on
>>> the streets, people could walk here more freely because they know the
>>> streets are sparsely used by cars. IMO it means cars are free to take these
>>> streets but they have to be extra attentive.
>>>
>>> I cannot think of any examples for living_street in Nepal to be honest.
>>> Most of them could be categorized into pedestrians. May be the quiet
>>> streets around Bungamati, Khokana...
>>>
>>> I know there is no clear cut difference here, for simplicity I would
>>> propose we use pedestrian if vehicular movement is highly constrained by
>>> cars.
>>> Otherwise it is a residential road. Let's completely avoid
>>> living_street. Makes live much more simpler.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Bibek Shrestha
>>> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
>>> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
>>> Arthur, Inception 2010
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Sakar Pudasaini <sakar at galligalli.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Simple is good but not having a separate classification the streets
>>>> around Ason and like areas seems like a step too far. They are in
>>>> a conceptual category other than "residential"... they are crowded
>>>> with pedestrians, with road side vendors etc who actually have priority
>>>> over cars. From a purely practical perspective I'd want routing tools to
>>>> avoid those kinds of streets... I mean you could push through those areas
>>>> with a car, I've seen it done, but that does not make it a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Living_street says "Routing and
>>>> navigation software *might* try to avoid such areas when navigating
>>>> cars." So if we going to try and fit our requirements to western
>>>> categories, this might be the best one we have. Unless of course there is
>>>> an additional attribute that achieves the same effect.
>>>>
>>>> -s
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Rajeev Amatya <rajeevamatya at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> Bibek and I worked on the road standards. We want to finalize it by
>>>>> Friday. It would be a nice idea to make it as simple as possible, while
>>>>> covering most of the common roads of Kathmandu and Nepal. We also talked to
>>>>> OSMers in Munich and got some good feedbacks from them. Living Street is a
>>>>> very European concept and probably does not apply to Nepal. Might be a good
>>>>> idea to not use it at all. Also, most of the routing apps are based upon
>>>>> European roads, so it would be a good idea to try to comply as much as
>>>>> possible so that we use them with minimum code change.
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal:Roads#Local_Roads
>>>>>
>>>>> Please have a look and start a discussion if you don't agree. But
>>>>> let's get it done quickly. Thanks a lot.
>>>>> Rajeev
>>>>>
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