[talk-ph] Bacolod

maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com
Sun Feb 28 04:36:08 GMT 2010


http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/goodbyebacolod:-(/diary/9683

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, maning sambale
<emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's the transcript of our conversation from first to last (while I
> was sending him messages he changed his user name fro mgarrucho -
> jrizal - rgarchitorena - jjocson -       goodbyebacolod:-) )
>
> ==============
> To      jjocson
> Subject         regarding your edits in Bacolod
> Date    Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:30:53 +0000
>
> jrizal,
>
> Hi! I've seen your edits in Bacaolod and they are really great. I am
> happy to see that Openstreetmap Philippine data is expanding to the
> Negros Island. However, I noticed that your contributions have a
> striking similarity to GoogleMaps' data. See this and use the slider
> on the top-right:
> http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=13&lat=10.65976&lon=122.97031&layers=B00000TFFFFF
>
> As far as I know the only gps tracks in Bacolod are the ones I
> uploaded months ago.
>
> Apologies if this may seem "too accusing" but please explain the
> sources of your contributions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> maning
>
> =====================
>
> You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod???? Anyways they
> are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got it from
> NASA.
>
> jrizal
>
> =============
>
> To      jjocson
> Subject         Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod
> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:04:47 +0000
>
>
> On Fri Feb 26 07:47:03 UTC 2010 rgarchitorena wrote:
>
>> You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod????
> No, what I mean here are the only gps traces uploaded in OSM I know
> are some of the traces I added (donated by other contributors).
>
>>Anyways they are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got it from NASA.
>
> Can you explain further what you mean by NASA? I use JOSM as an editor
> as well, it would be good if you can share what specific WMS or NASA
> imagery you used so that others can use it and improve the data.
>
> Just in case you didn't know, we are not allowed to copy data from
> copyrighted materials (an example is GoogleMaps). Most of NASA's
> imagery are public domain, so if you are using NASA's data that is OK.
> But we need to explicitly provide citation/source of information.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> ==========
> From     jjocson
> Subject         Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod
> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:51:15 +0000
>
>
> Sorry but its personal if you want I can sell you the program....
> :-)or perhaps you can give me your details so I can visit you and give
> you some lessons.
>
> =======
>
> If the data source is "personal" = not available to the public = not
> suitable for OSM.
>
> Unless the data provider which you say is "NASA" gave explicit
> permission to use the images for OSM, I don't think it is right to use
> it in OSM.
>
> No offense my friend, but we want the OSM data to be clean as much as
> possible of copyright issues. If you want Bacolod to be in the OSm
> map. We can help you do it by gathering GPS tracks. We can lend you a
> GPS if you don't own one.
>
> Keep on mapping.
>
> ========
>
> From     jjocson
> Subject         Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod
> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:34 +0000
>
>
> What a conclusion! Why sould I help you with what I'm doing if you got
> an attitude. And who the F are you anyway? THE OSM OWNER????
>
> On Fri Feb 26 08:56:29 UTC 2010 maning wrote:
>
> ========
>
> And then I sent another reply which I wasn't able to sent because he changed
> his username while I was sending it to rgarchitorena.
>
> ==========
> To      jjocson
> Subject         changing usernames in a day
> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:34:53 +0000
>
> You are a funny guy. You changed you usernames from mgarrucho to
> jrizal to rgarchitorena to jjocson.
>
> I simply asked you to explain your source (which is very similar to
> Google's data). I simply followed OSM's guidelines here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#I_think_someone.27s_been_entering_copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F
>
> For such cases. I have no resort but to report your edits to the OSM
> Foundation Board Members.
>
> cheers,
>
> maning
>
> ============
>
> From     jjocson
> Subject         Re: changing usernames in a day
> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:44:17 +0000
>
>
> I dont care mate! do what you have to do.
>
> ==============
>
> And then he replied again  with a new username
>
> From     goodbyebacolod:-)
> Subject         Bacolod
> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:55 +0000
>
>
> I think we got off with the wrong foot here. Yes your right its
> similar to google and in the wsm settings it says NASA and localhost
> 8998. Ive been using this for 3 to 4 days and think its fine since its
> in the editor. If thats something against ur organization then fine Im
> happy to stop it and do as your org says.
>
> ============
>
> My last answer.
>
> No problem mate!
>
> We want this map free of copyrighted material as much as possible.
> Apologies if you're pissed-off with my inquiry.  I am requesting for a
> revert of your edits in Bacolod so please don't touch them for the
> moment.
>
> If you own a GPS you can continue editing in any plave you like using
> your tracks and local knowledge as reference.
>
> I'll look into the wms you mentioned.
>
> ================
>
> I propose we report this to the OSMF board and request a revert of all
> his edits in Bacolod, including mine because I corrected several
> overlapping ways.  Please don't manually remove them for now.  A full
> revert process can do this by the OSM sysads.
>
> Finally, a note to those who keeps on changing usernames in order to
> "hide" your OSM editing history.  It doesn't work.  OSM has an
> internal numeric userid of your account.  It doesn't change even if
> you changed your username.
>
> For reference, the Bacolod editor's uid="235287"
>
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
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cheers,
maning
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