[talk-ph] Bacolod

Marloue Pidor murlwe at mail2Engineer.com
Sun Feb 28 05:42:21 GMT 2010


I think his apology was sincere, he wanted our help... lets help him get
Bacolod in the map the right way. That's a common mistake of most OSM
newbies, putting copyrighted material into OSM.

Best,

Marloue (murlwe)

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com]
>Sent: 2/28/2010 12:36:08 PM
>To: talk-ph at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod
>
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/goodbyebacolod:-(/diary/9683
>
>On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, maning sambale
><emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here's the transcript of our conversation from first to last (while I
>> was sending him messages he changed his user name fro mgarrucho -
>> jrizal - rgarchitorena - jjocson -       goodbyebacolod:-) )
>>
>> ==============
>> To      jjocson
>> Subject         regarding your edits in Bacolod
>> Date    Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:30:53 +0000
>>
>> jrizal,
>>
>> Hi! I've seen your edits in Bacaolod and they are really great. I am
>> happy to see that Openstreetmap Philippine data is expanding to the
>> Negros Island. However, I noticed that your contributions have a
>> striking similarity to GoogleMaps' data. See this and use the slider
>> on the top-right:
>>
http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=13&lat=10.65976&lon=122.97031&layers=B00000
TFFFFF
>>
>> As far as I know the only gps tracks in Bacolod are the ones I
>> uploaded months ago.
>>
>> Apologies if this may seem "too accusing" but please explain the
>> sources of your contributions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> maning
>>
>> =====================
>>
>> You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod???? Anyways they
>> are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got it from
>> NASA.
>>
>> jrizal
>>
>> =============
>>
>> To      jjocson
>> Subject         Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod
>> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:04:47 +0000
>>
>>
>> On Fri Feb 26 07:47:03 UTC 2010 rgarchitorena wrote:
>>
>>> You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod????
>> No, what I mean here are the only gps traces uploaded in OSM I know
>> are some of the traces I added (donated by other contributors).
>>
>>>Anyways they are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I
got
>it from NASA.
>>
>> Can you explain further what you mean by NASA? I use JOSM as an
editor
>> as well, it would be good if you can share what specific WMS or NASA
>> imagery you used so that others can use it and improve the data.
>>
>> Just in case you didn't know, we are not allowed to copy data from
>> copyrighted materials (an example is GoogleMaps). Most of NASA's
>> imagery are public domain, so if you are using NASA's data that is
OK.
>> But we need to explicitly provide citation/source of information.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> ==========
>> From     jjocson
>> Subject         Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod
>> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:51:15 +0000
>>
>>
>> Sorry but its personal if you want I can sell you the program....
>> :-)or perhaps you can give me your details so I can visit you and
give
>> you some lessons.
>>
>> =======
>>
>> If the data source is "personal" = not available to the public = not
>> suitable for OSM.
>>
>> Unless the data provider which you say is "NASA" gave explicit
>> permission to use the images for OSM, I don't think it is right to
use
>> it in OSM.
>>
>> No offense my friend, but we want the OSM data to be clean as much as
>> possible of copyright issues. If you want Bacolod to be in the OSm
>> map. We can help you do it by gathering GPS tracks. We can lend you a
>> GPS if you don't own one.
>>
>> Keep on mapping.
>>
>> ========
>>
>> From     jjocson
>> Subject         Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod
>> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:34 +0000
>>
>>
>> What a conclusion! Why sould I help you with what I'm doing if you
got
>> an attitude. And who the F are you anyway? THE OSM OWNER????
>>
>> On Fri Feb 26 08:56:29 UTC 2010 maning wrote:
>>
>> ========
>>
>> And then I sent another reply which I wasn't able to sent because he
changed
>> his username while I was sending it to rgarchitorena.
>>
>> ==========
>> To      jjocson
>> Subject         changing usernames in a day
>> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:34:53 +0000
>>
>> You are a funny guy. You changed you usernames from mgarrucho to
>> jrizal to rgarchitorena to jjocson.
>>
>> I simply asked you to explain your source (which is very similar to
>> Google's data). I simply followed OSM's guidelines here:
>>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#I_think_someone.27s_been_enterin
g_copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F
>>
>> For such cases. I have no resort but to report your edits to the OSM
>> Foundation Board Members.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> maning
>>
>> ============
>>
>> From     jjocson
>> Subject         Re: changing usernames in a day
>> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:44:17 +0000
>>
>>
>> I dont care mate! do what you have to do.
>>
>> ==============
>>
>> And then he replied again  with a new username
>>
>> From     goodbyebacolod:-)
>> Subject         Bacolod
>> Date    Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:55 +0000
>>
>>
>> I think we got off with the wrong foot here. Yes your right its
>> similar to google and in the wsm settings it says NASA and localhost
>> 8998. Ive been using this for 3 to 4 days and think its fine since
its
>> in the editor. If thats something against ur organization then fine
Im
>> happy to stop it and do as your org says.
>>
>> ============
>>
>> My last answer.
>>
>> No problem mate!
>>
>> We want this map free of copyrighted material as much as possible.
>> Apologies if you're pissed-off with my inquiry.  I am requesting for
a
>> revert of your edits in Bacolod so please don't touch them for the
>> moment.
>>
>> If you own a GPS you can continue editing in any plave you like using
>> your tracks and local knowledge as reference.
>>
>> I'll look into the wms you mentioned.
>>
>> ================
>>
>> I propose we report this to the OSMF board and request a revert of
all
>> his edits in Bacolod, including mine because I corrected several
>> overlapping ways.  Please don't manually remove them for now.  A full
>> revert process can do this by the OSM sysads.
>>
>> Finally, a note to those who keeps on changing usernames in order to
>> "hide" your OSM editing history.  It doesn't work.  OSM has an
>> internal numeric userid of your account.  It doesn't change even if
>> you changed your username.
>>
>> For reference, the Bacolod editor's uid="235287"
>>
>>
>> --
>> cheers,
>> maning
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>cheers,
>maning
>------------------------------------------------------
>"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
>wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
>blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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