[talk-ph] Typhoon Megi/Juan Humanitarian OSM Team activation request

maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 11:21:06 GMT 2010


Dear everyone,

A couple of updates regarding this initiative.
 - A NGO working with the Indigenous Peoples (Mabuwaya Foundation)
within Palanan, Divilacan and Maconacon need updated map data to
support they're work.
 - Flooding in low-lying areas along Cagayan River and Chico River
 - Several hires imagery was made available to UN Humanitarian
Agencies.  We requested these agencies to allow us to trace features
for OSM. No reply so far.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines_Tropical_Storm_2010#Imagery_posted_by_humanitarian_agencies

Given the above situation, I guess we just have to maximize the use of
existing resources available to us (Landsat and 1:50K topos), I
drafted several mapping priorities in the wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines_Tropical_Storm_2010#Mapping_priorities

    * Large rivers and tributaries (use Landsat for rivers and 250K
and 50K topo maps for river names)
    * Move place=town/city node location to the town proper.
    * Roads and bridges (visible roads in Landsat are most likely
primary and secondary, unknown roads should be tagged as
highway=roads)

Other things you might want to do is clean-up the wiki.  I don't I
will be an expert here :).
Thanks for helping.



On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, maning sambale
<emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
> And now there's flooding:
> http://www.gmanews.tv/story/205093/100-cagayan-valley-villages-flooded-3-apayao-towns-isolated
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:46 PM, maning sambale
> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear everyone,
>>
>> Unsatisfied by the response below, I did a follow-up call with the
>> NAMRIA concerned staff and explained the purpose of our project.
>>
>> They said that as long as we scanned them and didn't purchased the
>> scanned/digital version from NAMRIA and we did our own rectification,
>> this is completely OK.  One thing to note though is that rectification
>> should be in Luzon 1911 datum
>> http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4253/ and at least 16 GCPs are
>> needed.  After the rectification, we can then reproject it to GCS
>> WGS-84
>>
>> Moreover, they said that they are well aware of OSM in the Philippines
>> of which they are grateful because we are providing free access to
>> vector datasets of the country (specifically streets).
>>
>> Honestly, the above statement surprised me.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:10 PM, maning sambale
>> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Here's NAMRIA's response to my inquiry (I forgot to send to the list
>>> ASAP because it was marked as spam):
>>>
>>> Dear Sir,
>>>
>>> Did you buy the maps from the NAMRIA Map Sales Office?
>>>
>>> You can use the maps, but please acknowledge NAMRIA as the source and
>>> mention the process you did on the maps (i.e scan,
>>> georeference/georegister and trace)
>>>
>>> For more info. please call us at 8105466.
>>>
>>> Truly yours,
>>>
>>> Alvin Laurio
>>>
>>> My original message:
>>> Hi, I would like to ask legal clarification on the use of the NAMRIA
>>> 1:50k topographic maps. If I manually scan the maps and distribute
>>> them for free to colleagues on the internet and allow then to trace
>>> features in the image, am I infringing NAMRIA's copyright over the
>>> maps? Please provide clarification. The paper maps do not clearly
>>> indicate restrictions of use of the map. Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Are these maps kosher for tracing?
>>>>
>>>> The Intellectual Property Code of the Philippines (Republic Act No.
>>>> 8293) has this to say:
>>>>
>>>> "Section 176.1. No copyright shall subsist in any work of the
>>>> Government of the Philippines. However, prior approval of the
>>>> government agency or office wherein the work is created shall be
>>>> necessary for exploitation of such work for profit. [...]"
>>>>
>>>> The Wikipedia community has taken this to mean that government works
>>>> are still copyrighted because of the non-commercial clause.
>>>>
>>>> But, additionally, copyright in the Philippines generally persist for
>>>> the author's life + 50 years or 50 years after publication/making
>>>> depending on the work. So maps published in the 1950s *might* be OK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM, maning sambale
>>>> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Bunny,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Leonard Soriano
>>>>> <banito_pinoy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maning rectified. However naka Transverse Mercator/Luzon Datum. I can re-project kung kinakailangan pero madami dami rin yun.
>>>>>
>>>>> If possible please re-project to lat/lon wgs84 (EPSG:4326).  Upload it
>>>>> somewhere we can fetch the data.
>>>>>
>>>>>> CI produced a dataset ng rivers based on the Namria 125.000k. Pero They also produced a Philippine shoreline that includes main rivers (eg. Cagayan River) based on 1:50k topo maps.  Extracting the polylines of the rivers might is easy and can be used temporarily while the Landsat river system is on the way being digitized.
>>>>> The CI dataset requires a whole lot of data request processing (data
>>>>> holders are a combination of NGO, and national agencies, which
>>>>> requires everyone's approval).
>>>>>
>>>>>> May specific province ba pagsisimulan ng focus ng mapping? or lahat basta na apektuhan ng bagyo?
>>>>> I'm still collating information on the heavily affected areas.  Please
>>>>> help in sorting the information.
>>>>> NDCC has soem good reports on provincial site reports:
>>>>> http://www.ndcc.gov.ph/
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure to update the wiki:
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines_Tropical_Storm_2010
>>>>>
>>>>>> --bunny
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 18/10/10, maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [talk-ph] Typhoon Megi/Juan Humanitarian OSM Team activation request
>>>>>>> To: "osm-ph" <talk-ph at openstreetmap.org>, "osm-talk" <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>>>>>>> Received: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 10:55 AM
>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I created an activation request for mapping affected areas
>>>>>>> Typhoon
>>>>>>> Megi/Juan in the Philippines.  At the moment, there
>>>>>>> are no high-res
>>>>>>> available in the area.  What we can for now is to map
>>>>>>> large rivers
>>>>>>> visible in Landsat which is likely to be flooded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the event progresses, we will evaluate specific areas
>>>>>>> needing
>>>>>>> high-res imagery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for supporting the initiative.
>>>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_juan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> maning
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>>> cheers,
>>> maning
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>>
>> --
>> cheers,
>> maning
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>
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
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> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
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> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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cheers,
maning
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