[talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 15

George Tujan gtujan at gmail.com
Sun Sep 16 23:37:34 BST 2012


Yup, both offmap 2 and the original offmap uses OSM and Cloudmade (w/c is
also OSM-based) tiles

On Sunday, September 16, 2012, samuel cruz wrote:

> hi,
>
> i just learned from a friend that ipad has an application, the offmap 2
> that uses odm map for philippines. not sure about this but maybe someone
> can confirm this.
>
> sam
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>   1. Re: SOTM 2012 feedback (Eugene Alvin Villar)
>   2. Re: iOS 6 using osm and tomtom? (maning sambale)
>   3. Re: SOTM 2012 feedback (maning sambale)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:16:41 +0800
> From: Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> To: Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> Cc: talk-ph at openstreetmap.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback
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> Hi Mike,
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mike at ayeltd.biz');>>
> wrote:
> > 1) Reducing latency for general mapping for as many Filipinos as
> possible.
> >
> > It looks as though all Philippine mapper's traffic would get routed
> through
> > a network in or around Metro Manila no matter what.  Therefore from a
> > latency point of view alone, and assuming PLDT routing, um,
> peculiarities,
> > could be resolved then Manila would be the best place to put a server. A
> > close second would be Hong Kong ... and might be better as per Eugene's
> > point.
>
> This reason suggests that latency is a big problem for editors in the
> Philippines. I daresay that latency is not that big a problem when
> compared to the broadband average speed of household connections in
> the country. Most households, when they have broadband connections at
> all, have an average maximum speed of around 1 Mbps. Actual speeds are
> much less than that.
>
> I did a ping to the OSM server from my home and I get around 400ms in
> terms of latency. But when you're editing in JOSM and downloading
> plenty of data, and especially if you also download GPS points too,
> the download and upload of data takes several seconds. And once the
> data is downloaded, JOSM will spend some time to parse the OSM XML
> data and to process it for editing, and this depends on the speed of
> one's computer. Given that kind of editing situation, latency is a
> small problem and might not be a best target for improvement. (See
> Amdahl's Law[1].)
>
> On the other hand, setting up a server in HK would also serve many
> Asian OSM communities like Japan and Indonesia. While this does not
> specifically target the OSMPH community, and might not foster a
> technical community, serving the Asian OSM communities might be a
> better reason for the investment than simply trying to solve network
> latency problems.
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:43:26 +0800
> From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com');>>
> To: tutubi <tutubi at backpackingphilippines.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'tutubi at backpackingphilippines.com');>>
> Cc: "talk-ph at openstreetmap.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?
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> I also recommend osmand for android it supports:
>
> - offline map and routing
> - voice activated routing
> - gps log record and direct upload to osm
> - point edits to osm
>
> Maning Sambale (mobile)
> On Sep 15, 2012 1:42 PM, "tutubi" <tutubi at backpackingphilippines.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tutubi at backpackingphilippines.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > hi!
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Jim Morgan <jim at datalude.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jim at datalude.com');>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did we have this conversation before?
> >
> > oh yes, sort of, but what was discussed even a few days ago is obsolete
> > now. cant cope up.
> >
> > tried a few apps eg myTracks et al but im too lazy to download the gpx
> > tracks
> >
> > > :-) This is all available on Android, although not in the same app as
> > far as I can find out. You can get a nice cheap Android for about 9k
> these
> > days (the Huawei G300 is getting good reviews), or 4k if you really push
> it
> > (Cherry Mobile). I use Trekbuddy for OSM data with offline maps and 1s
> > logging. You can run a different app for routing. At the same time if you
> > want
> > an android is a long time want. only reconsidering it since i've lost my
> > garmin. will try the cherry mobile. i want one with a tv if there's one
> and
> > it wont hurt much if i lose it :)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, I don't see any reason to drop 40k on the latest Apple. Paying
> > more for a phone than a computer has always seemed a little obscene to
> me.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > i got an iPhone 4s as a gift, didnt buy it :) no plan to upgrade, i'm a
> > peso-pincher i only need a handy camera. it will be with me til it conks
> > out or lose it
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:08:24 +0800
> From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com <javascript:_e({},
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> To: Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback
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> If data editing latency is not a big problem, perhaps we can use a high
> capacity server for other things.
>
> >From a data consumer POV, maybe we can:
> - create a map style that incorporate PH specific tags that are not shown
> in the default osm map (osm-jp's case);
> - provide province/municipal extracts in various format like shapefile that
> also include ph specific tags (not entirely sure, but I think HOT in
> Indonesia did it);
> - reliable gps map download;
> - imagery server (we currently access some imagery from jgc also of
> osm-fr);
> - sandbox server for many ideas discussed here.
>
> @mike, do you think this is something osm-fr can support?
>
> Maning Sambale (mobile)
> On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson" <mike at ayeltd.biz<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mike at ayeltd.biz');>>
> wrote:
>
> > Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
> > this list.
> >
> > I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
> > familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
> > interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a
> caching
> > download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every
> > minute.  JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the
> > London server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For
> > French and many European users it provides much better response. When you
> > upload, then it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6
> months
> > and appears to work correctly.
> >
> > And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
> > things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
> >
> > So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a
> > similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with
> > the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding
> organisation
> > and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s),
> b)
> > travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
> > vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it
> > in a high availability data centre.
> >
> > So, any interest?
> >
> > In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
> > build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
> > community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the
> strongest
> > in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
> > server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in
> getting
> > involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
> >
> > Mike
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