[talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

Mon Oct 13 00:13:17 UTC 2014

Maning's recent message about mapping the Batad rice terraces brings us
back to this discussion.

I don't quite agree that mapping individual rice paddies as landuse=farm is
the way to go. I think the whole rice farm should be mapped as a single
object and then the walls/terraces should be mapped as a different object.

I think man_made=bund is a pretty good suggestion. If we all agree on this
tag, then we should use it and then suggest it to the global community on
the tagging mailing list.

~Eugene

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:

> A bund is also defined as an embankment to control the flow of water. And
> for reference, the English equivalent for the Tagalog term "pilapil" is
> dyke or dike [0] or bund [1].
>
> I am withdrawing my suggestion for the dyke tag, and second Maning's tag
> man_made=bund as technically more appropriate in the context of Asian rice
> fields and paddies. If this motion is carried, let's not forget to document
> this somewhere [2][3].
>
> [0] http://tl.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=pilapil
> [1] http://www.binisaya.com/node/21&search=root&word=pilapil
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbund
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions
>
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> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM, maning sambale <
> emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, truly awesome work by the Lubao MPDC staff especially Pepe.  Just
>> a bit of update from what I heard from Pepe and others.
>> They were able to use the map in the preparation for Glenda.  Right
>> now, they are asking each barangay captain to identify key features in
>> the map like (amenities, shops, name of rivers, sitios, etc) which
>> they now add in the map.
>>
>> Tasking manager job is still not finished [0], and they appreciate
>> everybody's review especially with validating the task.  They are also
>> having difficulty tagging some features (same as this original
>> thread), I asked them to list them and send to this mailinglist so we
>> can help them identify or create (if necessary) the best tag.
>>
>> Sorry for the digression, so what's the best tag now for paths along
>> rice paddies? Should it be man_made=bund [1]? :)
>>
>> [0] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/329
>> [1] http://www.mozda.net/mozda6.html
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice
>> paddies,
>> > similar to what's being done with fish ponds?
>> >
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>> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the
>> wiki
>> >> page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow
>> of
>> >> water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the
>> water
>> >> within the paddies.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a more appropriate tag?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
>> >>> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these
>> rice
>> >>> paddy embankments do not do that.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario" <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
>> >>>> Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
>> >>>> case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in
>> fact
>> >>>> they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
>> >>>> showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to
>> show what
>> >>>> "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
>> >>>> landuse=farmland
>> >>>> crop=rice
>> >>>> farm=flooded_crops
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
>> >>>> man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
>> >>>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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