[talk-ph] Restarting discussion on road classifications

[Glen Scott]

Hi Jherome,

So to clarify (thinking of province application):

Service would never be "connector" roads, e.g. a  500 m long dirt road
leading to a group of houses - this would be "unclassified"? See sample
below.
What of "Unmaintained track road" ? I think the definition for this was for
4-wheel vehicles but not necessarily a standard passenger car - more
tending towards a 4WD track. There are a lot of these!
I assume Path (hiking and "mixed use trails in rural areas") includes
tricycle use? I think there needs to be differentiation between the rural
foot/bike/tricycle track and the wider "unmaintained track road'
(trafficable by suitable 4-wheel vehicle).

One of my concerns about (potential) overuse of "minor/unclassified" in
rural areas is the map look - a wider road on the map can be interpreted as
a better road (or a "decent" road) whereas many rural connectors are hard
work. I'm guilty of using "Service Road" a lot for minor connectors, if
only to get the map to look right (not over-represent the road). I think
your rules allow that - we are talking about single lane roads; though it's
a stretch to call a lot of them "residential" , e.g. if they lead to a
farm... yes it may have a residence on it... but it's a farm. In the
example below the "residential road" is surrounded by houses that I haven't
added yet.

[image: Screenshot 2020-11-03 172012.png]

Cheers
Glen Scott

On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 at 20:51, Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:

> In light of some suspicious edits by a "tongkho" who have been upgrading
> road classes without providing reasons (usually in edits with the comment
> "Modified"), I think we should continue discussions on classifying PH roads
> once again and come up with a consensus.
>
> Again, here is my proposed definitions of each road class, since the last
> discussions plus my additional suggestions:
>
> -Motorway: expressway
> -Trunk: highways between cities with population of 100,000+, usually 1 to
> 2-digit national roads; major roads resembling expressways (with U-turns,
> overpasses/underpasses at major junctions, intersection closures, or
> service roads for business/residential/local access)
> -Primary: highways between small cities and large towns, usually 3-digit
> national roads; major arteries
> -Secondary: highways between smaller towns, usually being unnumbered
> national roads and provincial roads; minor arteries
> -Tertiary: roads between barangays; collector roads
> -Unclassified: minor non-residential local roads
> -Residential: residential streets
> -Service: driveways, drive-thru lanes, parking lot roads,
> eskinitas/alleys/ residential streets with width <2.5 m.
> -Footway: walkways, sidewalks, "eskinita" not passable to cars or tricycles
> -Path: most unpaved trails (hiking trails, mixed-use trails in rural areas)
>
> In this proposal, living_street is to be deprecated. It was adapted in
> 2015, but contentions have been raised on its use in developing-world
> contexts.
>
> In the 2015 scheme, trunk was intended to be used on 1 to 2-dight national
> roads (i.e. the North-South Backbone or Rte 1 (N1), East-West Laterals, and
> Other Roads of Strategic Importance) but some mappers use it for roads that
> resemble expressways to some degree (e.g. Commonwealth Ave, C5, CSCR) or
> any roads seen as major highways popularly even where it should be tagged
> lower. The alternative definition of "expressway-like road" is included in
> the proposal, but may or may not be included in the final definition.
>
> --TagaSanPedroAko
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