[talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps
Timeo Gut
timeo.gut at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 2 09:39:12 UTC 2021
It's nice to at least finally hear some explanations from their side.
But it does not really solve any of the issues.
Having the same establishments and landmarks is not problematic per se,
but there seems to be solid evidence that their hired third-party is (at
the very least partially) providing them with POIs copied from Google Maps.
Just as an example, here's a identical arbitrarily capitalized name in
the same arbitrary location:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8873689562
https://goo.gl/maps/QzyJqMRShrnCn1vh8
Jan Rei Gallardo's edits are a significant improvement compared to the
previous para mappers. He seems to at least make sure to place nodes
within buildings and add proper tags, this makes it much more difficult
to verify if all of the data or just part of it is copied.
Para mappers in Davao Region (Abby Oavad Tagum, Dhadz and ortegajovan41)
were a lot less careful. Out of about 30 analyzed POIs every single one
is obviously copied from Google.
Shop without tags with identical wrong coordinates:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8357629670
https://goo.gl/maps/qkXyyCtMoWkQR5qaA
Non-existent office in the middle of road:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8654016808
https://goo.gl/maps/iZ3LvvWKB2fbnHEx5
Same wrong location, school within existing school:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/773674277
https://goo.gl/maps/hvDMT5ofVRfUUAtc9
Church and mosque within same building:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8367729778
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8367763632
https://goo.gl/maps/SyhwJRQWE6Nw7yd86
https://goo.gl/maps/HHB8JMJoAXjGYaoC8
I'm also curious what the edits in Nigeria are about. Jan Rei Gallardo
is already the third para mapper (out of the 6 that were identified so
far) that is editing in Enugu Area.
On 2021-07-02 15:02, Erwin Olario wrote:
> CC'ing the list of their latest response: https://imgur.com/ml0IR2e
> <https://imgur.com/ml0IR2e>
>
> We hire third-parties who are from the area being mapped to tag
> the location of establishments, landmarks, and other government
> offices. They will send to us the coordinates and the names of the
> places, and will be encoded accordingly by a third-party.
>
> The chances of having the same establishments, landmarks, and
> government offices on the same location as Google is for the basic
> reason that we are mapping the same areas on planet Earth. Unless,
> Google mapped an alternate universe that would result in different
> mapping of the same locality.
>
> FWIW, I previously invited them to engage with the LoCo through an
> online meeting, but instead got this response.
>
> FYI.
>
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> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:19 PM Jherome Miguel
> <jheromemiguel at gmail.com <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Sorry, dapat send to all.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Jherome Miguel* <jheromemiguel at gmail.com
> <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>>
> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying
> from GMaps
> To: Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com <mailto:govvin at gmail.com>>
>
>
> Naghihintay pa ako ng reply sa huli kong PM with Jan Rei. Sana may
> linaw na ang kaso nung kay JP Baje, kung member sya ng PARA
> mapping team. Di ko maiwasang mapa-PI at map-l****k nang nakita ko
> ang mga edits ni Jan Rei. Salamat na we have now a direct contact
> with a PARA map editor.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 9:59 PM Erwin Olario <govvin at gmail.com
> <mailto:govvin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Sa palagay ko, ang pinaka-maganda ay makapag-setup ng dialogue
> sa grupong (?) ito, para matulungan silang malinawan sa mga
> alituntunin ng OSM, kung yun nga talaga ang isyu dito.
>
> Sumagot ulit yung user na kausap ko, at sinasabi niyang hindi
> daw kinopya sa ibang mapa yung mga edits niya, at kinalap daw
> niya yon sa ibang sources. Hiniling kong mag-bigay siya ng
> karagdagan pang detalye sa proseso nila.
>
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> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 11:39 AM Jherome Miguel
> <jheromemiguel at gmail.com <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Kinakausap ko na rin ang user kung kilala rin niya yung si
> “JPBaje”. Lumalakas ang kutob ko na editor rin sya for
> PARA, lalo’t hindi siya nag-reply sa una kong mga PM sa
> kanya bago nirevert ang lahat ng edits niya at siya’y
> binlock ng DWG.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:40 PM Erwin Olario
> <govvin at gmail.com <mailto:govvin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I also got a reply, and the username[0] has been changed.
>
> The user acknowledged their affiliation with the Para
> app, but did not disclose the source of their edits.
>
> I have previously been in touch with officers from
> this corporation, and in the past, they promised that
> they will abide by OSM rules. If you get any
> permission to share that number, I'm willing to
> discuss this further with their users
>
> [0]:
> https://osmcha.org/filters?aoi=68b0b447-b692-47cd-ac6d-7be521e084b4
> <https://osmcha.org/filters?aoi=68b0b447-b692-47cd-ac6d-7be521e084b4>
>
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> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jherome Miguel
> <jheromemiguel at gmail.com
> <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Jherome Miguel* <jheromemiguel at gmail.com
> <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>>
> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Another user possibly illegal copying
> from GMaps
> To: Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com
> <mailto:seav80 at gmail.com>>
>
>
> Just received reply (in Tagalog) from user, asking
> me to contact by phone, but as I’m in Canada,
> could discuss it on-site instead. I’m in a middle
> of a mass revert of edits around BF Homes when I
> received their PM.
>
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