[Talk-pt] Dados da CAOP e import

[Marcos Oliveira]

Olá a todos,

Eu queria-vos dar a conhecer que enviei para o Data Working Group (DWG) um
e-mail sobre esta situação, assim como o pedido para reverter tudo o que a
minha conta de importação fez desde o dia que a criei.

Coloco abaixo a mensagem que enviei-lhes, na sua integra, para assim todos
terem o conhecimento do que eu escrevi.

Com toda a estima,
Marcos Oliveira

Data Working Group,
>
> Hello, I am Marcos Oliveira and I'm contacting you to discuss about a
> current problem that exists in the Portuguese OSM community where I am the
> sole responsible in question.
>
> The issue is regarding the alteration and addition of administrative
> boundaries and natural parks through my alternate account,
> ViriatoLusitano_import. [1]
>
> A user, Francisco, submitted a thread in the Portuguese mailing list [2]
> stating how I have been disrespecting the work of others by eliminating
> nodes, ways and relations, namely places and boundaries (administrative and
> natural parks), claiming that I've been doing outright vandalism. He also
> claims to have sent you an e-mail about this situation.
>
> Let me show you my version of the story. I want it to be explicitly known
> that I'm *not claiming* to be innocent, I admit I've done many things
> wrong but vandalizing is not one of them.
>
> Francisco brought forward three main issues that I've caused:
>
>    1. The deletion of ways and relations that other users have made
>    2. The modification of Portugal/Spain boundary
>    3. The removal of places, namely hamlets
>
> Regarding the first point, when I began working on manually importing
> administrative boundaries back on the 12th of September, I always tried
> working using the existing elements that were contributed by other people.
> The problem was that whenever I tried to upload the progress I've done
> (after successfully validating), there appeared conflicts in the data,
> sometimes in the hundreds.
>
> Since I didn't want to mess and probably ruin different types of data
> other than administrative boundaries, I opted to first remove the old
> boundaries where I later carefully imported my own work, without first
> contacting the Portuguese community about this.
>
> Just recently I have learned to use the "replace geometry" tool that the
> *utilsplugin2* plugin offers to conflate the data; now I can work without
> ever having to delete a way nor any relations whatsoever.
>
> Regarding the second point, while I was working near the boundary with
> Spain I found out that there were places where the boundary was erroneous:
> sometimes our (or their) territory was hundreds of meters away from were it
> was supposed to be.
>
> What I've done was, (again, I didn't want to cause any conflicts with the
> existing data), remove the old way while at the same time replacing it with
> one that followed official data from CAOP 2014 as well as it having all the
> tags it previously had, including relations that included said way.
>
> Again, in my ignorance, I disregarded it as something unimportant to
> discuss with the Portuguese and the Spanish community because I thoroughly
> checked every relation to see if I was not breaking anything.
>
> Regarding the third point, I removed a lot of hamlets, not because I
> didn't like them, but because I was suspicious they were bad data that was
> transcribed either from gpspostcode [3] (licence not compatible with OSM)
> or Google because a lot of hamlets had the exact same coordinates as the
> information provided by the entities I mentioned just now. Once again, I
> didn't discuss this removal with the community.
>
> I've always planned on replacing the data because I don't like removing
> data from OSM. I asked some family members that live in the same general
> area where the removals were made about the many hamlets that existed. As
> of now I've already received information for one municipality which I
> promptly edited back into OSM. [4]
>
> In short, I have removed existing data and replaced it with data that was
> 100% manually verified that was of same or better quality. The central
> problem is that I removed the history that contributors before me have
> made. This is a very big mistake I've done, I admit, but it is not
> vandalism.
>
> Having stated my arguments, I also come to you to ask permission for you
> to completely revert my import account in order to correct the mistakes
> I've done.
>
> A friendly contributor called naoliv, and I have been trying to find all
> day a way to successfully conflate the old, deleted data with the new,
> improved data that I've inserted. What we have found is that it is possible
> but will take a very long time and it is actually more time efficient to
> just revert all my edits and start anew, respecting the work of others and
> the wishes of the community as I should always have done.
>
> My motto is to help, not hurt the work of others.
>
> I'm deeply sorry for doing what I've done, it won't happen again.
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Marcos Oliveira aka. ViriatoLusitano
>
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import
> [2]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pt/2014-November/001038.html
> [3] http://www.gpspostcode.com/
> [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6>
>
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