[Talk-ro] Talk-ro Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31

Sat Sep 26 12:38:01 BST 2009

Ma bag si eu cu o intrebare, vizavi de fotografiere.

Cum se calibreaza o fotografie facuta sa zicem dintr-un balon cu aer cald pe
coordonatele GPS ?

Multumesc,
Mihai.

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>   3. Re: Rartel - Telespazio si Altele (alex-map)
>   4. Re: Rartel - Telespazio (Eddy Petri?or)
>   5. Re: Rartel - Telespazio (Francisc TOTH)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:07:13 +0300
> From: Ciuperca Claudiu <edic at upcnet.ro>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio si Altele
> To: OSM Romania <talk-ro at openstreetmap.org>
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> hmmm am inteles ... cu toate ca, dupa parerea mea, o astfel de abordare
> e imposibil de detectat .. consider aprecierea corecta si cinstita deci
> metoda cu harta de hartie pica.
> Cred ca cea mai ieftina solutie este cumpararea unor "Harti cadastrale
> ale oraselor"  facute la scara, banuiesc ca sunt mai ieftine de
> cumparat(de la OCPI sau cum s-o mai chema acu) oricum ideea crearii unui
> ONG e superba si subscriu acestei idei mai ales ca in felul acesta se
> pot actiona niste parghii pe la guvern sau parlament (pe la comisiile de
> IT si Telecomunicatii).
> Ar mai fi o solutie de adunat track-uri ... da' asta e mai complicata si
> aici mai am oleaca de munca Oricum atunci cand voi avea solutia o voi
> pune la dispozitie tuturor (sper sa imi iasa de aia nu dau detalii).
> Pana una alta raman la metoda de masurare clasica cu pasu/masina si
> gps-ul(acu am 2 sic).
> PS ma bag sa completez /corectez Braila daca ma ajutati cu date (am
> inteles ca cei de la norc v-au pus la dispozitie track-urile)
>
> Ciprian Talaba wrote:
> > Salutare Claudiu,
> >
> > 2009/9/25 Ciuperca Claudiu <edic at upcnet.ro <mailto:edic at upcnet.ro>>
> >
> >     scump al dracu ... trebuie facuta pusculita... poate in 100 de ani
> >     strangem .. pana la urma muschiu si mintea noastra trebuie puse la
> >     munca
> >     sa nascocim solutii sa facem harta.
> >     Dar am o intrebare .. daca sa presupunem ca as avea o harta de
> >     hartie ..
> >     la scara ... si cateva intersectii ale caror coordonate le cunosc
> >     e vreo
> >     problema daca , folosind o rigla, compas, masuratori pe harta si
> >     punctele susmentionate plus calculele matematice de rigoare m-as
> apuca
> >     sa desenez restul hartii? bineinteles asta e o intrebare strict
> >     ipotetica.
> >
> >
> > Da, ceea ce ai face in acest caz este sa derivi date dintr-o sursa
> > protejata de copyright, ceea ce ar putea fi OK pentru anumite scopuri,
> > nu si pentru OSM. Pentru a putea utiliza acea harta in scopul crearii
> > de date pentru OSM este nevoie de acceptul autorilor hartii (ceea ce
> > poate fi usor sau nu) si apoi exista solutii mai simple pentru a
> > digitiza acea harta.
> >
> > Numai bine,
> > Ciprian
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: alex-map <alea at email.ro>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] OSM romania ca ONG
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> Salut Francisc,
>
> Sigur ca ai un drept la replica, nici eu nu vreau sa ma bag intr-o
> treaba care nu are posibilitate de iesire. Daca se ajunge la
> infiintarea asociatiei trebuie clarificate toate lucrurile care ne
> sunt incerte.
>
> Din punctul meu de verere un membru "afiliat" isi pierde calitatea de
> membru o data cu ne plata cotizatiei de exemplu. Un membru fondator si-
> ar putea pierde calitatea de mebru daca nu participa la doua eventual
> trei adunari generale consecutive, sau printr-o cerere scrisa (desi
> aici nu stiu unde trebuie depusa la asociatie , la tibunal).
>
>
> Cele bune
> Alex.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: alex-map <alea at email.ro>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio si Altele
> To: talk-ro at openstreetmap.org
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> Poti sa te apuci de Braila cu incredere, deocamdata este o problemea
> cu afisarea trackurilor GPS la OSM, problema care se va remedia in
> cateva zile (vezi osm wiki).
>
>
> cele bune
> Alex.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:59:35 +0300
> From: Eddy Petri?or <eddy.petrisor at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio
> To: OSM Romania <talk-ro at openstreetmap.org>
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> Asztalos Attila a scris:
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Subject:
> >> [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio
> >> From:
> >> Marinel <marinel.ionel at libero.it>
> >> Date:
> >> Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:03:44 +0200
> >> To:
> >> OSM Romania <talk-ro at openstreetmap.org>
> >>
> >> To:
> >> OSM Romania <talk-ro at openstreetmap.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am gasit o firma in RO ce colaboreaza cu Telespazio
> >> (http://www.telespazio.com/international.html) si au foto satelitare
> >>
> >> http://www.rartel.ro/obs_pamant_rom.html
> >>
> >> ii cunoaste cineva pe acesti domni sa vedem dac nu ne pot pune la
> >> dispozitie niste foto aeriene?
> > Nu cred ca firma respectiva isi permite sa devieze prea mult de la
> > politica / preturile Telespazio. Iar la o examinare mai atenta a
> > site-ului, se pot gasi atat lista de preturi aproximativa
> > (http://www.telespazio.com/ge_docs/ik-ge_price_list.pdf) cat si licenta
> > sub care vand datele
> > (http://www.telespazio.com/ge_docs/Terms_Conditions.pdf). Referitor la
> > prima, a privire superficiala sugereaza ca am avea nevoies de circa 12.5
> > USD pe kilometru patrat, dar nu mai putin de 612.5 USD per site (oras?),
> > iar referitor la a doua, IANAL (de cand astept sa scriu asta... :P), dar
> > e plina de tot felul de cuvinte urate, ingrijorator de aproape de
> > termeni ca "derivative work".
>
> M-am uitat pu?in ?i exist? ni?te lucruri destul de clare ?n termenii
> respectivi:
>
> 1) crearea de h?r?i vectoriale pe baza imaginilor este (explicit)
> permis? (eviden?ierea e a mea):
>
>                                                                     t
> 2.2 Right to develop EP. Telespazio hereby grants to the User the
> right to develop EP from the licensed SD/P for its internal purpose.
> EP that contain any imagery data from the licensed SD/P require an
> ad-hoc agreement with Telespazio before dissemination to any third
> party.
> ...
> EP that do not contain any imagery data from the licensed SD/P are not
> subject to ad-hoc agreements with Telespazio. A few not exhaustive
> examples are: *derived vector map products* (features, buildings,
> waterlines, centrelines, classification), derived digital elevation
> model or digital terrain model products, text/tabular products.
>
>
>
> 2) Problema e c? un server WMS public ar fi problematic pentru c? ar
> putea fi interpretat ca o metod? de distribu?ie (imaginile ajung la
> oricine din internet) :
>
> 2.1 License to Use. Telespazio hereby grants to the User a sine die,
> nontransferable and nonexclusive license to Use, solely for internal
> purposes by User?s business, the SD/P. *This license does not include
> the right to copy* (save as otherwise set out herein), *disclose,
> publish, print, format, sell, assign, dispose of, lease, sublicense,
> distribute or transfer the SD/P or to use the same in any manner or for
> any purpose not expressly authorized* by this License. Telespazio and/or
> Satellite/Ground Station Operators reserve all intellectual property
> rights not expressly granted to User hereunder. *Any right of sub-
> licensing is expressly excluded.*
>
>
> > ...so, cine doreste sa porneasca la colecta cu caciula in mana...?
>
> Dac? asta se ?nt?mpl?, va fi foarte greu dpdv legal s? se fac? ceva cu
> ele dac? nu avem ONG-ul ?i acesta nu este cel ce face achizi?ia.
>
>
> E o chestie interesant?, se pare c? au ?ncercat s? se apere de Google,
> dar au reu?it s? exclud? ?i OSM (?any internet search product or
> service that is free to end users?) ?i oricine care ofer? orice date
> derivate care *nu* con?in imaginile.
>
> (d) *Any web posting is prohibited by any individual or commercial
> entity that operates or otherwise provides any internet search
> product or service that is free to end users* or for which the fee(s)
> for the use of such product or service is less than one hundred and
> fifty dollars ($150) per annum. Use any Product for ?Web
> Services.? A Web Service is defined as a web-based service which
> allows the user to view and/or use imagery and further general
> derived products (not containing the original data) through a
> secured, password protected website, without downloading the
> imagery.
>
>
>
> Concluzia mea (IANAL) c? pentru a face ceva cu ei, trebuie clarificat?
> ?nt?i licen?a pentru a permite explicit utilizarea inten?ionat? de noi
> ?i apoi s? vedem ce ?i cum.
>
> --
> Regards,
> EddyP
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> "Imagination is more important than knowledge" A.Einstein
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:14:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Francisc TOTH <yo6own at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio
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> Balonul la noi e problematic, fiindca peste 80m nu putem sa-l lansam fara
> autorizatii. Sunt curios insa cat de mult se poate fotografia cu un balon
> captiv. E suficient.
> Am studiat un pic balonul cu aer cald, si nu e o optiune, nu poate ridica
> suficient payload. Balonul cu hidrogen ar fi bun(H e mai ieftin decat He)
> dar apare un fenomen de electrizare, descarcari electrostatice, si balonul
> pocneste relativ repede.
> He e bun, dar in conditiile in care nu putem ridica decat ceva captiv la
> 80m, o optiune mult mai economica si care poate ridica mai mult decat
> balonul este zmeul(aripa portanta).
>
> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, otzy_007 <otzy007 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > From: otzy_007 <otzy007 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio
> > To: "OSM Romania" <talk-ro at openstreetmap.org>
> > Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 8:55 PM
> > ceva de genul
> http://www.go4it.ro/curiozitati/au-facut-poze-din-spatiu-cu-doar-500-de-lei-4893839/
> > sau http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Go4itro-Stiri/~3/KVFcXpbJnBY/<http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/Go4itro-Stiri/%7E3/KVFcXpbJnBY/>
> > nu e mai ieftin? Sau nu poate fi realizat la noi?
> >
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