[Talk-scotland] Edinburgh 20mph Limits
Chris Fleming
me at chrisfleming.org
Sun Mar 5 23:50:29 UTC 2017
I've now setup a task for zone 2 convering the Northern half of the zone. I
ended up with some larger chunks, but decided better to get it out.
http://tasks.openstreetmapscotland.org/project/5
Cheers
Chris
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 at 23:41 Donald Noble <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks a lot Chris,
>
> I like the way you've split the tasks, looks pretty sensible to me. I
> agree that people can just comment they are going to survey an area or 2 or
> part as appropriate, then come back and work on it later.
>
> Main issue is this just covers area 3 (although there is a chunk south of
> Cluny gardens missing). There's also another area of similar side covering
> north Edinburgh. Is it possible to add these too?
>
> Cheers, Donald
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 at 22:23, <me at chrisfleming.org> wrote:
>
>
> Cool I've divided all of zone 3 into small chunks, generally following
> natural boundaries.
>
> This is at: http://tasks.openstreetmapscotland.org/project/4
>
> One thing I've noted is that the tasker isn't really designed around
> choose an area, go out survey and then map it, as the timeouts for
> locking an area is quite short (2 hours maybe). Also it's only possible
> to lock a single area.
>
> But it is possible to add a comment so that probably is enough to work
> out who is planning on or working on an area.
>
> Also suggest that once we get this up and running we publicise it on the
> cycle forum, lots of 20mph chat and quite a few people have been mapping
> cycle parking.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> On 02/03/17 at 07:14pm, Donald wrote:
> > Thanks for the comments.
> > Having had a look at a few more roads in Morningside on a detoured
> route
> > back from uni tonight, I tend to agree with needing to survey this.
> There
> > are some differences with the online GIS, e.g. west end of Cluny
> Gardens,
> > and there is no signage on Merchiston Bank Avenue which joins onto a
> 30mph
> > road, despite it being shown blue. I would be surprised if anyone
> could do
> > 30 on this dead end street though!
> > With that in mind, it would be nice if you could set up the task
> Chris, so
> > that we can co-ordinate efforts. As Robert says, this is more daunting
> > than the previous one! I have logged in to the task manager, but not
> done
> > anything yet.
> > As for copyright, I don't think there should be any issues with using
> the
> > council map as a list of streets to check. It might be possible to get
> > this from the council, or scrape the TROs, but that will delay things
> a
> > lot.
> > Cheers, Donald
> > On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 at 14:37 <[1]me at chrisfleming.org> wrote:
> >
> > I think I would tend to agree with Robert, ideally we would seek
> > permission to use the street list from the council. But there is
> merit
> > in surveying, to get thing exactly right.
> >
> > I have my tasking manager up and running again, and have been
> having a
> > play with polygon based task shaping, have a loom here:
> >
> > [2]http://tasks.openstreetmapscotland.org/project/2
> >
> > Basically, I created an .osm file. Then used [3]http://geojson.io/
> to
> > turn
> > it into a geojson file. Every polygone in that file in turn becomes
> a
> > task. So we can divide the zone into logical zones that people can
> > claim, survey and update.
> >
> > That way we won't duplicate effort and can ensure we cover the
> complete
> > zones.
> >
> > If we can agree that this is a good idea, then login to the task
> > manager, I will bump up your privilidges to create a new project.
> And or
> > I can
> > share my .osm file to finish divding up and create the task.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> > On 01/03/17 at 10:25pm, Robert Weetman wrote:
> > > My thoughts would be...
> > >
> > > a) you could argue that you are only taking the speed limit
> > information
> > > from the mapping, which probably wouldn't be seen as copyright
> > (coming
> > > from the council not the Ordnance Survey). I doubt that anyone
> in
> > the
> > > council has considered making this open data... busy people
> etc.
> > >
> > > b) BUT I suspect that there may be variation on the ground in
> terms
> > of
> > > where speed limits actually change - that there may be some
> > considerable
> > > variation between what was planned at a high level (and is
> > therefore shown
> > > on the mapping) and exactly what will have been installed.
> > >
> > > With b in mind I'd tend to want to do a survey based on the
> > mapping... but
> > > I must admit to being more daunted than for Edinburgh's city
> centre
> > 20mph
> > > zone. Could someone draw a polygon (saved in appropriate
> format -
> > e.g.
> > > kml) to define where the edges of the zones should be? That
> would
> > make it
> > > a more realistic prospect to survey. The city centre survey
> became
> > complex
> > > where there were existing 20mph zones - one zone merging into
> > another. I'd
> > > guess the potential for the same this time is greater.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> >
> > References
> >
> > Visible links
> > 1. mailto:me at chrisfleming.org
> > 2. http://tasks.openstreetmapscotland.org/project/2
> > 3. http://geojson.io/
>
>
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