[Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK

[martianfreeloader]

Another inappropriate changeset comment from just yesterday:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452


On 03/11/2022 17:17, Igor Brejc wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Even if nothing else, he should be reported for that insulting comment 
> on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>, this isn't just 
> vandalism, but pure abusive behavior.
> 
> Cheers,
> Igor
> 
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:47 PM martianfreeloader 
> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     I think the account 4KK should be reported for vandalism.
> 
>     TLDR:
>     - 4KK destroys the map.
>     - When confronted with their behaviour, they either don't reply at all
>     or in an insulting way.
> 
> 
>     Long version:
> 
>     History of 4KK:
>     - The account was created in 2017.
>     - Strong mapping activity only started in Feb 2022
> 
>     A list of the changesets that have been discussed by other users:
>     https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
>     <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
> 
>     Comments made by other mappers to 4KK's changesets:
>     - 11 changesets of 4KK are discussed by other users (since April 2022)
>     - All 11 changesets have been critized by other mappers as seriously
>     and
>     clearly wrong. (with mixed degrees politeness, but nothing off the
>     spectrum of normal OSM demeanor)
> 
>     4KK's reaction:
>     - To 9 of these comments, 4KK did not reply at all.
>     - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied in a polite but nonconstructive way:
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
>     - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied with an insult and nothing substantial:
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>     (I think that this incident alone would already justify deletion of the
>     account)
> 
> 
>     I did not check the actual mapping content of these changesets, so I
>     can't tell whether all the other mappers were always right with their
>     criticism. But given that 4KK has been repeatedly drawn criticism by
>     various users, I assume they are right.
> 
>     Personally, I had one instance myself where I discovered that 4KK
>     mapped
>     a completely fictional motorway (in fact most credits go to
>     scabiosa_trenta), but I didn't make this public at the time because I
>     didn't see the broader picture.
> 
>     Best,
>     m
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 26/10/2022 23:50, Miha Pavšič via Talk-si wrote:
>      > Živjo,
>      >
>      > ja, že prej je to počel (recimo 9 mesecev nazaj). Sam sem najprej
>     opazil relacijo "Razvojna os 3A Ljubljana-Kočevje”, kjer je vrisal
>     “proposed” cesto od razcepa Malence naprej, kot vir pa navedel
>     novico iz leta 2015. Gre samo za neko staro idejo, ki se je takrat
>     pojavila, ampak je vsaj na začetnem delu nerealistična in se o njej
>     sploh ne govori več. Bila je idejna zasnova, sploh ne nekaj
>     načrtovanega, in kot taka zadeva po mojem nima kaj iskati v OSM.
>     Kako pa bi izgledalo, če bi vsak risal neke idejne zasnove?
>      >
>      > Skratka, changeset sem pokomentiral (letoss septembra),
>     komentarja z njegove strani ni bilo, pa tudi na moje sporočilo
>     direktno njemu ni odgovoril.
>      >
>      > Lep pozdrav,
>      > Miha
>      >
>      >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 17:58, Damjan Gerl <damjan na damjan.net
>     <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>> wrote:
>      >>
>      >> Prosim napiši kakšno opombo na changeset, tako da bo tam "javno"
>     odgovoril (če bo), da bomo vsaj videli kaj/kako odgovori. In lahko
>     dobi tudi več odgovorov drugih osm-erjev.
>      >>
>      >> Potem pa se lahko ukrepa in vpraša, da ga iz osm-boarda opomnijo
>     ali začasno blokirajo, če je potrebno.
>      >>
>      >> LP,
>      >> Damjan
>      >>
>      >>  From "Blaž Lorger" blaz.lorger na krs.net <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>
>      >> To talk-si na openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>
>      >> Cc Date Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:35:56 +0200
>      >> Subject [Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> Mogoče ste že opazili da je v zadnjih dneh uporabnik 4KK
>     (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>) naredil več sprememb na
>     področju Slovenije.
>      >> Kakšna je pozitivna, so pa tudi neustrezne.
>      >> Zgleda se je koncentriral na ceste pri tem pa je spremenil tudi
>     precej relacij. Zaradi površnega dela so vsaj nekatere izmed teh
>     relacij zdaj nepravilne. Kot na primer ta turn restriction
>     (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>). Zdaj je
>     legalno narediti oster zavoj in se vrniti v krožišče.
>      >>
>      >> Na moj poziv naj popravi take napake je jasno odgovoril da tega
>     ne namerava storiti.
>      >> Predlagam da se lotite popravljanja.
>      >>
>      >> Pozdrav,
>      >>    Blaž
>      >>
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