[Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK
martianfreeloader
martianfreeloader na posteo.net
Čet Nov 3 22:26:41 UTC 2022
Anyone who can spare a half hour, please report 4KK as soon as possible!
As the account is not only insulting people but actively destroying the
map, it seems that time is of the essence.
Apparently, the account also engages in edit wars:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history
I have little capacity for OSM at the moment, sorry; otherwise I'd do it
myself.
Thanks to Damjan Gerl for bringing this up and to everyone who
contributed to the discussion so far!
m
On 03/11/2022 19:16, pitastrudl na gmail.com wrote:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user
>
> We can report to data, “ат”openstreetmap.org for vandalism and report
> the user in a separate section. We should take all the below evidence
> and forward it to the mentioned email. *
> *
>
> On 03/11/2022 19:11, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> What's the procedure here? How do we report this?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, 17:59 martianfreeloader
>> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net> wrote:
>>
>> Another inappropriate changeset comment from just yesterday:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
>>
>>
>> On 03/11/2022 17:17, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Even if nothing else, he should be reported for that insulting
>> comment
>> > on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>, this isn't
>> just
>> > vandalism, but pure abusive behavior.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Igor
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:47 PM martianfreeloader
>> > <martianfreeloader na posteo.net
>> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I think the account 4KK should be reported for vandalism.
>> >
>> > TLDR:
>> > - 4KK destroys the map.
>> > - When confronted with their behaviour, they either don't
>> reply at all
>> > or in an insulting way.
>> >
>> >
>> > Long version:
>> >
>> > History of 4KK:
>> > - The account was created in 2017.
>> > - Strong mapping activity only started in Feb 2022
>> >
>> > A list of the changesets that have been discussed by other
>> users:
>> > https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
>> >
>> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
>> >
>> > Comments made by other mappers to 4KK's changesets:
>> > - 11 changesets of 4KK are discussed by other users (since
>> April 2022)
>> > - All 11 changesets have been critized by other mappers as
>> seriously
>> > and
>> > clearly wrong. (with mixed degrees politeness, but nothing
>> off the
>> > spectrum of normal OSM demeanor)
>> >
>> > 4KK's reaction:
>> > - To 9 of these comments, 4KK did not reply at all.
>> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied in a polite but
>> nonconstructive way:
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
>> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
>> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied with an insult and nothing
>> substantial:
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> > (I think that this incident alone would already justify
>> deletion of the
>> > account)
>> >
>> >
>> > I did not check the actual mapping content of these
>> changesets, so I
>> > can't tell whether all the other mappers were always right
>> with their
>> > criticism. But given that 4KK has been repeatedly drawn
>> criticism by
>> > various users, I assume they are right.
>> >
>> > Personally, I had one instance myself where I discovered
>> that 4KK
>> > mapped
>> > a completely fictional motorway (in fact most credits go to
>> > scabiosa_trenta), but I didn't make this public at the time
>> because I
>> > didn't see the broader picture.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > m
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 26/10/2022 23:50, Miha Pavšič via Talk-si wrote:
>> > > Živjo,
>> > >
>> > > ja, že prej je to počel (recimo 9 mesecev nazaj). Sam sem
>> najprej
>> > opazil relacijo "Razvojna os 3A Ljubljana-Kočevje”, kjer je
>> vrisal
>> > “proposed” cesto od razcepa Malence naprej, kot vir pa navedel
>> > novico iz leta 2015. Gre samo za neko staro idejo, ki se je
>> takrat
>> > pojavila, ampak je vsaj na začetnem delu nerealistična in se
>> o njej
>> > sploh ne govori več. Bila je idejna zasnova, sploh ne nekaj
>> > načrtovanega, in kot taka zadeva po mojem nima kaj iskati v OSM.
>> > Kako pa bi izgledalo, če bi vsak risal neke idejne zasnove?
>> > >
>> > > Skratka, changeset sem pokomentiral (letoss septembra),
>> > komentarja z njegove strani ni bilo, pa tudi na moje sporočilo
>> > direktno njemu ni odgovoril.
>> > >
>> > > Lep pozdrav,
>> > > Miha
>> > >
>> > >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 17:58, Damjan Gerl <damjan na damjan.net
>> > <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Prosim napiši kakšno opombo na changeset, tako da bo tam
>> "javno"
>> > odgovoril (če bo), da bomo vsaj videli kaj/kako odgovori. In
>> lahko
>> > dobi tudi več odgovorov drugih osm-erjev.
>> > >>
>> > >> Potem pa se lahko ukrepa in vpraša, da ga iz osm-boarda
>> opomnijo
>> > ali začasno blokirajo, če je potrebno.
>> > >>
>> > >> LP,
>> > >> Damjan
>> > >>
>> > >> From "Blaž Lorger" blaz.lorger na krs.net
>> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>
>> > >> To talk-si na openstreetmap.org
>> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>
>> > >> Cc Date Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:35:56 +0200
>> > >> Subject [Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Mogoče ste že opazili da je v zadnjih dneh uporabnik 4KK
>> > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
>> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>) naredil več
>> sprememb na
>> > področju Slovenije.
>> > >> Kakšna je pozitivna, so pa tudi neustrezne.
>> > >> Zgleda se je koncentriral na ceste pri tem pa je
>> spremenil tudi
>> > precej relacij. Zaradi površnega dela so vsaj nekatere izmed teh
>> > relacij zdaj nepravilne. Kot na primer ta turn restriction
>> > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
>> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>).
>> Zdaj je
>> > legalno narediti oster zavoj in se vrniti v krožišče.
>> > >>
>> > >> Na moj poziv naj popravi take napake je jasno odgovoril
>> da tega
>> > ne namerava storiti.
>> > >> Predlagam da se lotite popravljanja.
>> > >>
>> > >> Pozdrav,
>> > >> Blaž
>> > >>
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