[Talk-si] suing a user for insult and threats
martianfreeloader
martianfreeloader na posteo.net
Sob Nov 5 18:25:10 UTC 2022
I have just been insulted and threatened by the account.
I would like to sue the owner of that account for compensation, but I am
citizen and resident of Germany and I don't read Slovene, nor do I know
anything about the legal system there.
The owner of the account seems to be resident of Slovenia, according to
their heatmap: https://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?4KK
(could be wrong; like my own heatmap would wrongly suggest that I am
Slovene)
Does any one know how to best go about suing them in Slovenia?
For context:
My only interaction with the account was my comment on
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
They replied to me in a private message which contained three threats:
"DO NOT FUCKING COMMENT ON ANY OF MY FUCKING EDITS"
"DON’T YOU FUCKING DARE MESSAGE ME"
"KILL YOURSELF"
and a number of insults:
"Fuck you bitch"
"YOU IDIOTIC JACKASS"
"YOU LITTLE SHIT"
"GO FUCK YOURSELF"
On 04/11/2022 21:00, martianfreeloader wrote:
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On 04/11/2022 16:47, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> Reported him/her, adding a couple of most egregious edits/comments. It
>> takes only a couple of minutes.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Igor
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 11:28 PM martianfreeloader
>> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who can spare a half hour, please report 4KK as soon as
>> possible!
>>
>> As the account is not only insulting people but actively
>> destroying the
>> map, it seems that time is of the essence.
>>
>> Apparently, the account also engages in edit wars:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history>
>>
>> I have little capacity for OSM at the moment, sorry; otherwise I'd
>> do it
>> myself.
>>
>> Thanks to Damjan Gerl for bringing this up and to everyone who
>> contributed to the discussion so far!
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/11/2022 19:16, pitastrudl na gmail.com
>> <mailto:pitastrudl na gmail.com> wrote:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user>
>> >
>> > We can report to data, “ат”openstreetmap.org
>> <http://openstreetmap.org> for vandalism and report
>> > the user in a separate section. We should take all the below
>> evidence
>> > and forward it to the mentioned email. *
>> > *
>> >
>> > On 03/11/2022 19:11, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> >> What's the procedure here? How do we report this?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, 17:59 martianfreeloader
>> >> <martianfreeloader na posteo.net
>> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Another inappropriate changeset comment from just yesterday:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 03/11/2022 17:17, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > Even if nothing else, he should be reported for that
>> insulting
>> >> comment
>> >> > on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> >> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>, this isn't
>> >> just
>> >> > vandalism, but pure abusive behavior.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Igor
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:47 PM martianfreeloader
>> >> > <martianfreeloader na posteo.net
>> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>
>> >> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net
>> <mailto:martianfreeloader na posteo.net>>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the account 4KK should be reported for
>> vandalism.
>> >> >
>> >> > TLDR:
>> >> > - 4KK destroys the map.
>> >> > - When confronted with their behaviour, they either
>> don't
>> >> reply at all
>> >> > or in an insulting way.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Long version:
>> >> >
>> >> > History of 4KK:
>> >> > - The account was created in 2017.
>> >> > - Strong mapping activity only started in Feb 2022
>> >> >
>> >> > A list of the changesets that have been discussed by
>> other
>> >> users:
>> >> >
>> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
>> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
>> <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>>
>> >> >
>> >> > Comments made by other mappers to 4KK's changesets:
>> >> > - 11 changesets of 4KK are discussed by other users
>> (since
>> >> April 2022)
>> >> > - All 11 changesets have been critized by other
>> mappers as
>> >> seriously
>> >> > and
>> >> > clearly wrong. (with mixed degrees politeness, but
>> nothing
>> >> off the
>> >> > spectrum of normal OSM demeanor)
>> >> >
>> >> > 4KK's reaction:
>> >> > - To 9 of these comments, 4KK did not reply at all.
>> >> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied in a polite but
>> >> nonconstructive way:
>> >> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
>> >> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>>
>> >> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied with an insult and
>> nothing
>> >> substantial:
>> >> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> >> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>
>> >> > (I think that this incident alone would already justify
>> >> deletion of the
>> >> > account)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I did not check the actual mapping content of these
>> >> changesets, so I
>> >> > can't tell whether all the other mappers were always
>> right
>> >> with their
>> >> > criticism. But given that 4KK has been repeatedly drawn
>> >> criticism by
>> >> > various users, I assume they are right.
>> >> >
>> >> > Personally, I had one instance myself where I
>> discovered
>> >> that 4KK
>> >> > mapped
>> >> > a completely fictional motorway (in fact most credits
>> go to
>> >> > scabiosa_trenta), but I didn't make this public at the
>> time
>> >> because I
>> >> > didn't see the broader picture.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > m
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 26/10/2022 23:50, Miha Pavšič via Talk-si wrote:
>> >> > > Živjo,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ja, že prej je to počel (recimo 9 mesecev nazaj).
>> Sam sem
>> >> najprej
>> >> > opazil relacijo "Razvojna os 3A Ljubljana-Kočevje”,
>> kjer je
>> >> vrisal
>> >> > “proposed” cesto od razcepa Malence naprej, kot vir pa
>> navedel
>> >> > novico iz leta 2015. Gre samo za neko staro idejo, ki
>> se je
>> >> takrat
>> >> > pojavila, ampak je vsaj na začetnem delu nerealistična
>> in se
>> >> o njej
>> >> > sploh ne govori več. Bila je idejna zasnova, sploh ne
>> nekaj
>> >> > načrtovanega, in kot taka zadeva po mojem nima kaj
>> iskati v OSM.
>> >> > Kako pa bi izgledalo, če bi vsak risal neke idejne
>> zasnove?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Skratka, changeset sem pokomentiral (letoss
>> septembra),
>> >> > komentarja z njegove strani ni bilo, pa tudi na moje
>> sporočilo
>> >> > direktno njemu ni odgovoril.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Lep pozdrav,
>> >> > > Miha
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 17:58, Damjan Gerl
>> <damjan na damjan.net <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>
>> >> > <mailto:damjan na damjan.net <mailto:damjan na damjan.net>>>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Prosim napiši kakšno opombo na changeset, tako da
>> bo tam
>> >> "javno"
>> >> > odgovoril (če bo), da bomo vsaj videli kaj/kako
>> odgovori. In
>> >> lahko
>> >> > dobi tudi več odgovorov drugih osm-erjev.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Potem pa se lahko ukrepa in vpraša, da ga iz
>> osm-boarda
>> >> opomnijo
>> >> > ali začasno blokirajo, če je potrebno.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> LP,
>> >> > >> Damjan
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> From "Blaž Lorger" blaz.lorger na krs.net
>> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>
>> >> <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net <mailto:blaz.lorger na krs.net>>
>> >> > >> To talk-si na openstreetmap.org
>> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>
>> >> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org
>> <mailto:talk-si na openstreetmap.org>>
>> >> > >> Cc Date Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:35:56 +0200
>> >> > >> Subject [Talk-si] "izboljšave" uporabnika 4KK
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Mogoče ste že opazili da je v zadnjih dneh
>> uporabnik 4KK
>> >> > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>
>> >> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>>) naredil več
>> >> sprememb na
>> >> > področju Slovenije.
>> >> > >> Kakšna je pozitivna, so pa tudi neustrezne.
>> >> > >> Zgleda se je koncentriral na ceste pri tem pa je
>> >> spremenil tudi
>> >> > precej relacij. Zaradi površnega dela so vsaj nekatere
>> izmed teh
>> >> > relacij zdaj nepravilne. Kot na primer ta turn
>> restriction
>> >> >
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>
>> >> >
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>>).
>> >> Zdaj je
>> >> > legalno narediti oster zavoj in se vrniti v krožišče.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Na moj poziv naj popravi take napake je jasno
>> odgovoril
>> >> da tega
>> >> > ne namerava storiti.
>> >> > >> Predlagam da se lotite popravljanja.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Pozdrav,
>> >> > >> Blaž
>> >> > >>
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