[Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] NAPTAN database

[Thomas Wood]

Yes, I had no intention of removing it from the converter, as it was
implied as required in the terms on the Import page, and it's an
essential ID for comparison against NaPTAN in the future.

2009/2/20 Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>:
>
> On 20 Feb 2009, at 16:19, Thomas Wood wrote:
>
>> 2009/2/20 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <ajrlists at googlemail.com>:
>>>
>>> Thomas Wood [mailto:grand.edgemaster at gmail.com] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sent: 20 February 2009 2:51 PM
>>>> To: Shaun McDonald
>>>> Cc: Peter Miller; Talk-gb-westmidlands at openstreetmap.org; talk-
>>>> transit at openstreetmap.org; Brian Prangle; Andy Robinson
>>>> (blackadder-lists)
>>>> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] NAPTAN database
>>>>
>>>> 2009/2/20 Shaun McDonald <shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Feb 2009, at 14:12, Thomas Wood wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The NaPTAN code is useful to the public. One can text that code to a
>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>> number and get information about upcoming departures.
>>>>>>> http://www.pti.org.uk/SMS/SMS.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The number 504974 might be an asset number of the bus stop used by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> authority for management purposes. That might belong in the PlateCode
>>>>>>> field,
>>>>>>> but the problem with non-naptan fields is that they will be done
>>>>>>> differently
>>>>>>> in different parts of the county.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should YT go in Ref? I am not sure about that. It might be better to
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> the naptancode there which is unique nationally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion, yes, where provided. However, since my view is
>>>>>> essentially London-only, (where NaptanCodes don't exist at all), I
>>>>>> find that the Stop indicator is the most useful thing, since it is
>>>>>> almost essential to differentiate stops at transport hubs.
>>>>>> I don't see any problem with having a non-unique ref=, since it's be
>>>>>> likely to be unique on a local scale which is when it is most useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen these local codes on a red circle at the top of the pole in
>>>>> Edinburgh. I always enter them as local_ref=... since it a is a local
>>>>> reference. ref=... should be used for the national ref of the bus stop
>>>>> in
>>>>
>>>> my
>>>>>
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shaun
>>>>
>>>> Very well. Changed the converter, and wiki.
>>>
>>> Not sure if ref= has universally been used for bus_stops. I know all the
>>> ones I've mapped use that. Easy enough to change though.
>>>
>>> I think it may be correct that the numbers on shelters in my photos are
>>> asset numbers, however these stops don't appear to carry any other
>>> reference
>>> number. All non shelter bus stops in West Mids carry a number in a
>>> different
>>> format as per link below. Does this number appear in the NaPTAN data?
>>>
>>> http://ajr.hopto.org/osm/SD530502.JPG
>>>
>>> If these on-the-ground reference numbers are not in the NaPTAN data then
>>> we
>>> have quite a bit of work to do to map stops properly.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>>
>> Those are the last 7 digits of the unique, nationwide AtcoCode. I've
>> not seen them publicly anywhere else.
>>
> Those codes are starting to turn up on printed information in timetable
> cases in various places together with a brief description on how to use
> them. I don't have a photo handy but I have seen them 'in the field' and
> Traveline are keen on them and they are spreading. Lets not loose the
> information, but possibly we leave it in the naptan:atcocode field for the
> time being.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter
>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Thomas Wood
>> (Edgemaster)
>
>



-- 
Regards,
Thomas Wood
(Edgemaster)