[Talk-transit] OpenStreetMap

Fri Mar 16 06:48:08 GMT 2012

Two things. First, I received permission from the Transit Manager at Yuba-
Sutter Transit, but would it be proper for me to wait for an exact license?

Secondly, does GO-Sync support the Public Transport approved proposal? I've 
already done most of the routes there, using that schema, and I'd prefer not 
to have to redo them.

-Alexander

Barbeau, Sean wrote:

> Alexander,
> I'm not sure of the exact project you're working on, but if it involves
> importing GTFS datasets into OSM you might want to check out an
> open-source tool GO-Sync that we created last year:
> http://code.google.com/p/gtfs-osm-sync/
> 
> In addition to a bulk import of GTFS into OSM, this tool also has the
> ability to try and sync bus stop changes in OSM with a GTFS dataset, in an
> attempt to grab crowd-sourced improvements to the bus stop inventory back
> for the agency.  This tool is currently mainly for bus stops, though, and
> not the relations for routes on OSM streets.  We've stayed away from
> trying to automatically sync route relations on roads since this is
> complex and requires significant manual inspection to ensure the data is
> coded correctly.  Relations for bus stops and their memberships in routes,
> though, is handled in GO-Sync.
> 
> Our project that focused on the creation of this tool has ended, but we
> certainly hope the community will continue to benefit from it, and build
> on top of it if possible.
> 
> I agree that the individual transit agencies need to provide permissions
> for the OSM upload, if they are the ones that own the GTFS data.  Before
> we did any imports with GO-Sync, we obtained permission from the agency.
> 
> Sean
> 
> Sean Barbeau
> Center for Urban Transportation Research
> University of South Florida
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:48:02 -0500
> From: Alexander Jones <happy5214 at gmail.com>
> To: talk-transit at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-transit] Fwd: Re: OpenStreetMap
> Message-ID: <2416208.YCXyV2o5Da at happy5214.no-ip.org>
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> 
> I got this email in response to one that I had sent. It has to do with
> GTFS data that we could possibly use in OSM. As you can see, the company
> responsible for creating the data is supportive of the idea, but noted
> that it is up to the individual transit providers to license the data.
> Tell me what you think.
> 
> And I know that OSM isn't a "Wikipedia for mapping", but the differences
> probably aren't significant to people not involved directly with both.
> 
> -Alexander
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> 
> Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap
> Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 10:29:45
> From: Aaron Antrim <aaron at trilliumtransit.com>
> To: Alexander Jones <happy5214 at gmail.com>
> CC: Keith Martin <keith_martin at sbcglobal.net>
> 
> 
> Hi Alexander,
> Thank you for your email.  Trillium does not have rights to license Yuba-
> Sutter Transit GTFS data.  Those rights are for the Yuba-Sutter Transit to
> assign.  The agency has chosen to make their data public, however without
> a license: http://www.gtfs-data-exchange.com/agency/yuba-sutter-transit/
> I'd encourage the data to be integrated with OSM.
> Trillium works for many other public transit agencies, most of which have
> public GTFS data.  I'd be happy to encourage those agencies to integrated
> their data in OSM.  Let me know how I can help make this happen. 
> Competition, options, and open data are good for everyone. Cheers, Aaron
> -- Aaron Antrim
> Trillium Solutions, Inc.
> www.trilliumtransit.com
> Portland, Oregon
> 503.567.8422
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Alexander Jones <happy5214 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>  Hello, my name is Alexander Jones, and I am a member of the
>  volunteer-mapping project, OpenStreetMap. Think of as like a Wikipedia
>  for mapping.
> 
> I have been in contact with Yuba-Sutter Transit, about the possibility of
> using its/your bus stop data for the OSM project. The Transit Manager
> there told me to contact you about this.
> 
> My question is: under what license would you be willing to license your
> data under? Allowable terms would be similar to Wikipedia, in that only
> freely- usable data is accepted for inclusion.
> 
> This could be a huge opportunity for you, as big names such as FourSquare
> and Apple are making the switch to OpenStreetMap data.
> 
> My contact email is happy5214 <at> gmail.com, and I am available anytime
> except for 1200 to 1900 Central Time, when I am actually sleeping.
> 
> Thank you,
> Alexander Jones
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:37:19 GMT
> From: Peter J Stoner <stonerpj at mytraveline.info>
> To: talk-transit at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Fwd: Re: OpenStreetMap
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> You may be interested to know that in the UK the government working with
> Traveline are proposing to make all bus timetables open data in April
> 2012.  http://travelinedata.org.uk/opendata.htm
> 
> 
> In message <2416208.YCXyV2o5Da at happy5214.no-ip.org>
>           Alexander Jones <happy5214 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I got this email in response to one that I had sent. It has to do with
>> GTFS data that we could possibly use in OSM. As you can see, the
>> company responsible for creating the data is supportive of the idea,
>> but noted that it is up to the individual transit providers to license
>> the data. Tell me what you think.
> 
>> And I know that OSM isn't a "Wikipedia for mapping", but the
>> differences probably aren't significant to people not involved directly
>> with both.
> 
>> -Alexander
> 
> 
>> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> 
>> Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap
>> Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 10:29:45
>> From: Aaron Antrim <aaron at trilliumtransit.com>
>> To: Alexander Jones <happy5214 at gmail.com>
>> CC: Keith Martin <keith_martin at sbcglobal.net>
> 
> 
>> Hi Alexander,
>> Thank you for your email.  Trillium does not have rights to license
>> Yuba- Sutter Transit GTFS data.  Those rights are for the Yuba-Sutter
>> Transit to assign.  The agency has chosen to make their data public,
>> however without a
>> license: http://www.gtfs-data-exchange.com/agency/yuba-sutter-transit/
>> I'd encourage the data to be integrated with OSM.
>> Trillium works for many other public transit agencies, most of which
>> have public GTFS data.  I'd be happy to encourage those agencies to
>> integrated their data in OSM.  Let me know how I can help make this
>> happen. Competition,
>> options, and open data are good for everyone.
>> Cheers,
>> Aaron
> 
> 
> --
> Peter J Stoner
> UK Coordinator         http://travelinedata.org.uk
> Traveline
> 
> Traveline Information Ltd company number 3826797 Drury House, 34-43
> Russell Street, LONDON WC2B 5HA ?
> 
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