[Talk-transit] GTFS and the like

[Jan]

Hello,

your questions are not easy.
In europe I think there are two companys who dialing with customer
timetable imformation. That is hacon and Mentz.

Thes two companys have there own fileformat. Hafas or Diva. But thats
not all! The companys for planing like IVU have also a own format called
infopool.
And the companys for selling tickets or dialing with bordcomputers for
in vehicels have a special format.

So in germany a group called VDV try to make a format for all these it
called VDV 452 453 and 454.
These are open standards and the most of the systems are able to import
or export into that format.

Google has it own standard (GTFS). It is not the best format for
timetable informations. But for OSM its ok. You can find stops lines and
lineroutes. You can gett information of wheelchair and structure of
stopposition, stoparea and stopareagroup.
But the main problem is to get all the information into the file.

The VBB are part of the opendata in Berlin. You can download the
timetable form daten.berlin.de
But there are only stopareas. Its enough to find a route from a to b but
it is not enough for osm, because in the most parts we have already
stoppositons.
At big stations this would be a great problem. You can´t know where the
bus stop.

At all I think we should import into OSM only routes and stops. with a
unique ID. So you can refer from a server with overpassapi to the
geoinformation. But the timetable at all should not hostet in OSM.

regards Jan

PS in berlin I tried to start with GTFS-Segments
PPS if your data is from Germany, you should not import this, because
there are very much public transport in OSM. You can take a look to
Colonge. How to transfer additional data to OSM.


Am 02.04.2014 18:29, schrieb Florian Lohoff:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i am now that busy with public transport but i got a mail from the regional
> public transport authority who show interest in publishing data or work
> together with OSM. I am not really the public transport guru, i just read a bit
> here and there and had looked at the GTFS stuff.
> 
> Is there a consolidated approach to not only bus stops (which i take
> as solved) but time table, live data etc? Probably Germany only?
> 
> What file format is the "defakto" standard. Is GTFS the solution
> and one day all data consumers for public transport will use GTFS?
> 
> I think currently the whish for locals is to simply take the data
> and have some nice clickable map with timetables and all those 
> bells and whistles. I havent seen that approach yet so i ask.
> 
> Flo
> 
> 
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