[Talk-transit] GTFS and the like
webmaster at openpublictransport.org
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Thu Apr 3 13:00:51 UTC 2014
Dear All,
As it is relevant to the debate, may I inform you about the project I
am working on (OpenPublicTransport.org) which will help in solving the
timetable part of Florian's question.
When operational in a few weeks time, there will be the ability to
easily display/add/update public transport timetables. This comes on
top of the stop/route data which is part of the OSM dataset.
GTFS import will be supported. Thanks to Jan I have now heard about
the VDV open format I will also look at integrating.
At the moment, the website displays routes/stops fetched from the OSM
database.
Best regards,
Vincent
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Today's Topics:
1. GTFS and the like (Florian Lohoff)
2. Re: GTFS and the like (Mike N)
3. Re: GTFS and the like (Janko Miheli?)
4. Re: GTFS and the like (john whelan)
5. Re: GTFS and the like (Jan)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 18:29:16 +0200
From: Florian Lohoff <f at zz.de>
To: talk-transit at openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-transit] GTFS and the like
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Hi,
i am now that busy with public transport but i got a mail from the
regional public transport authority who show interest in publishing
data or work together with OSM. I am not really the public transport
guru, i just read a bit here and there and had looked at the GTFS stuff.
Is there a consolidated approach to not only bus stops (which i take
as solved) but time table, live data etc? Probably Germany only?
What file format is the "defakto" standard. Is GTFS the solution and
one day all data consumers for public transport will use GTFS?
I think currently the whish for locals is to simply take the data and
have some nice clickable map with timetables and all those bells and
whistles. I havent seen that approach yet so i ask.
Flo
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 13:10:17 -0400
From: Mike N <niceman at att.net>
To: talk-transit at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS and the like
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On 4/2/2014 12:29 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> What file format is the "defakto" standard. Is GTFS the solution and
> one day all data consumers for public transport will use GTFS?
GTFS is the most popular standard, and nearly a universal way to
represent public transport route and timetable information. Using
GTFS, a consumer can get a customized answer to "how do I get from my
location to X?".
> I think currently the whish for locals is to simply take the data
> and have some nice clickable map with timetables and all those bells
> and whistles. I havent seen that approach yet so i ask.
One good solution that is able to mix OSM street data with GTFS
for a combined travel solution is Open Trip Planner
http://opentripplanner.com/ .
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:58:56 +0200
From: Janko Miheli? <janjko at gmail.com>
To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics"
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Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS and the like
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Although I think timetable data could be in OSM, there is no standard
defined yet. GTFS is probably your best choice right now. I never tried
synchronizing GTFS data with OSM routes and stations, so I can't help you
with that.
Dana 2. 4. 2014. 18:29 osoba "Florian Lohoff" <f at zz.de> napisala je:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> i am now that busy with public transport but i got a mail from the
regional
> public transport authority who show interest in publishing data or work
> together with OSM. I am not really the public transport guru, i just read
a bit
> here and there and had looked at the GTFS stuff.
>
> Is there a consolidated approach to not only bus stops (which i take
> as solved) but time table, live data etc? Probably Germany only?
>
> What file format is the "defakto" standard. Is GTFS the solution
> and one day all data consumers for public transport will use GTFS?
>
> I think currently the whish for locals is to simply take the data
> and have some nice clickable map with timetables and all those
> bells and whistles. I havent seen that approach yet so i ask.
>
> Flo
> --
> Florian Lohoff f at zz.de
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 14:35:28 -0400
From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics"
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Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS and the like
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The thing to watch out for with GTFS data is the stop location. Some
transit systems have very accurate data, such as Ottawa, typically is used
for announcements on buses for blind people, others have bus stops that can
be 300 meters out.
There are tools to import the bus stops from the GTFS file into JOSM.
Cheerio John
On 2 April 2014 12:29, Florian Lohoff <f at zz.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> i am now that busy with public transport but i got a mail from the regional
> public transport authority who show interest in publishing data or work
> together with OSM. I am not really the public transport guru, i just read
> a bit
> here and there and had looked at the GTFS stuff.
>
> Is there a consolidated approach to not only bus stops (which i take
> as solved) but time table, live data etc? Probably Germany only?
>
> What file format is the "defakto" standard. Is GTFS the solution
> and one day all data consumers for public transport will use GTFS?
>
> I think currently the whish for locals is to simply take the data
> and have some nice clickable map with timetables and all those
> bells and whistles. I havent seen that approach yet so i ask.
>
> Flo
> --
> Florian Lohoff f at zz.de
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 06:26:48 +0200
From: Jan <viw at freenet.de>
To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
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Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS and the like
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Hello,
your questions are not easy.
In europe I think there are two companys who dialing with customer
timetable imformation. That is hacon and Mentz.
Thes two companys have there own fileformat. Hafas or Diva. But thats
not all! The companys for planing like IVU have also a own format called
infopool.
And the companys for selling tickets or dialing with bordcomputers for
in vehicels have a special format.
So in germany a group called VDV try to make a format for all these it
called VDV 452 453 and 454.
These are open standards and the most of the systems are able to import
or export into that format.
Google has it own standard (GTFS). It is not the best format for
timetable informations. But for OSM its ok. You can find stops lines and
lineroutes. You can gett information of wheelchair and structure of
stopposition, stoparea and stopareagroup.
But the main problem is to get all the information into the file.
The VBB are part of the opendata in Berlin. You can download the
timetable form daten.berlin.de
But there are only stopareas. Its enough to find a route from a to b but
it is not enough for osm, because in the most parts we have already
stoppositons.
At big stations this would be a great problem. You can?t know where the
bus stop.
At all I think we should import into OSM only routes and stops. with a
unique ID. So you can refer from a server with overpassapi to the
geoinformation. But the timetable at all should not hostet in OSM.
regards Jan
PS in berlin I tried to start with GTFS-Segments
PPS if your data is from Germany, you should not import this, because
there are very much public transport in OSM. You can take a look to
Colonge. How to transfer additional data to OSM.
Am 02.04.2014 18:29, schrieb Florian Lohoff:
>
> Hi,
>
> i am now that busy with public transport but i got a mail from the regional
> public transport authority who show interest in publishing data or work
> together with OSM. I am not really the public transport guru, i just
> read a bit
> here and there and had looked at the GTFS stuff.
>
> Is there a consolidated approach to not only bus stops (which i take
> as solved) but time table, live data etc? Probably Germany only?
>
> What file format is the "defakto" standard. Is GTFS the solution
> and one day all data consumers for public transport will use GTFS?
>
> I think currently the whish for locals is to simply take the data
> and have some nice clickable map with timetables and all those bells
> and whistles. I havent seen that approach yet so i ask.
>
> Flo
>
>
>
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