[Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

Dave F davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com
Tue May 7 13:54:44 UTC 2019


That you're discussing so many different iterations of the PT schema 
proves what a cock-up it is.

That you believe all the PT tags are valid proves you've never make the 
schema simpler.
You're even suggesting adding more!

highway=bus_stop is a valid, current well used tag more popular than any 
PT tag. It is here to stay.

 >and the single pole on the roadside is being slowly abandoned due to 
security and barrier issues

Security? What doe that even mean? It's a pole with sign on it!

 >because any other solution, as long as platforms are mixed nodes and 
ways, would make inconsistencies.

It's the PT tags which are inconsistent & unrepresentative, so require 
rescinding.


On 07/05/2019 14:09, DC Viennablog wrote:
> I think someone in this discussion is confusing the idea of a new scheme with the current one.
>
> As it stands, the highway=bus_stop tag is a legacy tag for a node. If the platform is a node, it can be put on there (for legacy sake, although the p_t:v2 scheme suggests to sunset that tag) but if the platform is not just conceptual (e.g a pole on the roadside) but has dimensions (and hence is mapped as a way/polygon) the tag shall be put on the other thing that is definitely a node: The stop_position on the road.
>
> Because more and more platforms in public transport get built as extra features, and the single pole on the roadside is being slowly abandoned due to security and barrier issues without elevated platforms and so on, I set this, planned to be depricated tag, always onto the stop position, because any other solution, as long as platforms are mixed nodes and ways, would make inconsistencies.
>
> But if we talk about a new scheme, then we could again use one unified tag like that, ideally  one that also encapsulates the mode of transport and also says “this is the waiting area,point / platform”. Like public_transport=bus_stop/tram_stop/train_stop (with railway=stop, statiom or halt becoming optional?)
> Only problem: what if a bus and a tram stop at the same platform? Just a general tag public_transport=stop?
>
> Or would that clutter the tagging to much?
>
> KR
> RobinD (emergency99)
> ________________________________
> Von: Snusmumriken <snusmumriken.mapper at runbox.com>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 13:19:07
> An: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
> Betreff: Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme
>
> On Mon, 2019-05-06 at 13:53 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 2019-05-03 12:09, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2019 18:34, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>>> A platform is where people wait to board; if they stand at a
>>>> pole
>>>> (typical for buses), then the pole is logically the platform.
>>> This reinforces my point about misappropriation of tags. A platform
>>> is
>>> a physical construction higher than the surrounding ground to allow
>>> easier boarding.
>> It's a logical platform whether it physically exists or not.  It's
>> pretty well established that using a platform node for a mere pole
>> is valid.  People wait there to be picked up, regardless of the
>> actual surface type (which can change over time anyway).
> I think you are mistaken here. The logical entity here is the 'bus
> stop', what ever its physical manifestation. English is not my native
> language but I don't think one would ever construct a sentence like
> "Let's meet at the Main street platform" when you were meaning "Let's
> meet at the Main street bus stop".
>
> I don't think a logical platform makes any sense in the context of
> public transport.
>
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