[Talk-transit] Old railways

[john whelan]

>Btw, do you know of a way to copy data from one layer in JOSM to
another, while keeping it at the exact same position?


Create a new layer down load a tiny area with nothing in it works fine.

Select what you want to copy and copy to new layer.

Cheerio John

On Sun, May 12, 2019, 1:46 PM Tijmen Stam, <mailinglists at iivq.net> wrote:

> On 12-05-19 17:48, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 07:54, Tijmen Stam <mailinglists at iivq.net> wrote:
> >> In my environment, some people are adding old ("razed" railways to
> >> openstreetmak, of which no trace is visible in the field.
> >> It concerns both old railways which have been gone since 1933, e.g.
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/592259029 (Note that this piece still
> >> is somewhat visible, as it is now a road and partially a cycle path).
> >
> > Hi Tijmen,
> >
> > The "canonical" answer is that things that no longer exist in real
> > life and there is no trace of them do not belong in OpenStreetMap.
> >
> > How strict you want to interpret this probably depends more on local
> > community consensus than on talk-transit guidance.
> >
> > Tagging of removed railways that are now paths _in the same alignment_
> > seems relatively uncontroversial. https://osm.org/way/583243933 is an
> > example local to me.
>
> Yeah, I hold that same thing too. Basically path and track I still
> double-tag as railway=abandoned, but when it becomes a proper highway, I
> generally don't.
> I do tag razed when most of a longer railway is still (very) visible in
> the field, but short sections are no longer, as e.g. they have become a
> highway through/around a village. E.g.
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/419757167> or
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/191384386> (that latter should've
> been razed, not abandoned)
>
> > Your example of way 592259029 seems to me a bit
> > ambitious in that it traces alignment where it is no longer evident,
> > such as over houses, and https://osm.org/way/592259043 is a bridge
> > that no longer exists... I would not include this in OSM.
>
> >> Another example is a tram line in Amsterdam that has been gone for a
> >> year now <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/672838805>, the area has
> >> been completely redeveloped, no trace of the old tram tracks remains.
> >
> > IMO this should not be in OSM.
>
> Then we think alike.
>
> >> I only recently found out about openrailwaymap, but I can't find much
> >> information about it. It seems it gets its data from the OSM database.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to store "razed" railways somewhere else, so they will
> >> show up on openrailwaymap but not on OSM (they are rendered on some
> >> renderers, e.g. OSMAND)
> >
> > There does exist
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map which is a
> > separate database intended for things that used to exist but don't
> > anymore.
> >
> > Although this would be technically and legally possible, I doubt that
> > OpenRailwayMap currently integrates data from OHM.
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> To not "lose" the hard work of others, I have copied (part of) the
> abandoned/razed railways from OSM to OHM, added it with data from
> Wikipedia. Now I have to remove the data from OSM, but that's quite some
> work so I will do that later.
>
> <
> http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/?edit_help=1#map=16/52.7820/4.8315&layers=H
> >
>
> Thanks for that!
>
> Btw, do you know of a way to copy data from one layer in JOSM to
> another, while keeping it at the exact same position?
>
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