[Talk-ug] Talk-ug Digest, Vol 13, Issue 2

Karl Tiller info at karl-tiller.de
Wed Sep 24 12:18:07 UTC 2014


Tools:
Server: in Gulu with BOSCO UG, Kamapla GIS Centre, backup outside UG
DB: Postgresql/Postgis
GIS: TNTMips, gvSIG

But this the most uninteresting part!
OSM: is OSM accurate (spatialy, semantic), uptodate and complete in your 
region ? Are all the trees, stones etc mapped people are talking about?
Interesting discussion about GPS!!! How accurate do we need the 
boundaries? What does is cost to deliver an accuracy of 0.5 m , what is 
realistic!
What is your mandate? Who will support our 'information system' over 
years? Who will update???

... just some thoughts!
Karli

On 9/23/2014 6:35 PM, Kateregga Geoffrey wrote:
> Thanks for the Responses
> From what we gathered on ground, people still use trees, stones and 
> paths as points of reference when determining where the boundaries of 
> their plots are. And the other issue is the plots of land keep on 
> reducing in size when a father redistributes to his children.
>
> I think if we got information about ownership (Land Titles) from the 
> district land office and made it open where everyone can access it. or 
> even produce a map out of that information using any other tools like 
> QGIS then it can be a good starting point.
>
> @Karl, what tools do you hope to use to build the infomation system?
>
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>        1. Re: Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in Rural    Areas
>           (Bukulu Steven)
>        2. Re: Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in Rural Areas
>           (Krischan Makowka)
>        3. Re: Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in Rural    Areas
>           (Kasozi Brian)
>        4. Re: Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in Rural Areas
>           (Karl Tiller)
>        5. Re: Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in Rural    Areas
>           (Reinier Battenberg)
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>     Message: 1
>     Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:09:48 +0300
>     From: Bukulu Steven <stevebukulu at gmail.com
>     <mailto:stevebukulu at gmail.com>>
>     To: Kateregga Geoffrey <kateregga1 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>>
>     Cc: talk-ug at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ug at openstreetmap.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Talk-ug] Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in
>             Rural   Areas
>     Message-ID:
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>     <CANcOJVSDDYtuJzvfWiCaBPfSBAsss7QejmhjUnm0aVSV7ZNYOA at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CANcOJVSDDYtuJzvfWiCaBPfSBAsss7QejmhjUnm0aVSV7ZNYOA at mail.gmail.com>>
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>     Thank you Geoffrey,
>
>     My opinion would be, they record coordinates of different land
>     portions
>     especially at the corners, have the recorded at the NGO's
>     headquarters and
>     have them verified as a legal body where the locals can be
>     comfortable to
>     seek such information from.
>
>     It's what I suggest.
>
>     Steven
>     On Sep 21, 2014 9:48 PM, "Kateregga Geoffrey"
>     <kateregga1 at gmail.com <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     > During the recently concluded Mapping Day road trip in Eastern
>     Uganda  we
>     > met an NGO who would like to use mapping to help solve one of
>     the biggest
>     > problems in their community "Land Wrangles". What do you think
>     is the best
>     > way to use OSM / Mapping to solve this problem?
>     >
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>     Message: 2
>     Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:52:58 +0300
>     From: Krischan Makowka <jkmakowka at yahoo.de
>     <mailto:jkmakowka at yahoo.de>>
>     To: talk-ug at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ug at openstreetmap.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Talk-ug] Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in
>             Rural Areas
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>     Hello,
>
>     A colleague of mine who works at the Makerere GIS lab did something
>     quite similar with "regular" GIS 2 years or so ago.
>
>     Send him a message if you want to know more: info at karl-tiller.de
>     <mailto:info at karl-tiller.de>
>
>     Personally I am doubtful if mapping will solve to underlying resource
>     conflicts and different livelihood styles, but it might be a first
>     step.
>     Note though that any kind of formalization of land-owner ship is
>     ultimately a advantage for farmers (usually the richer ones) and a
>     disadvantage for pastoralists that depend on communal land (especially
>     the poorer ones).
>
>     Regards,
>
>     -Kris
>
>
>     Am 22.09.2014 um 21:09 schrieb Bukulu Steven:
>     > Thank you Geoffrey,
>     >
>     > My opinion would be, they record coordinates of different land
>     portions
>     > especially at the corners, have the recorded at the NGO's
>     headquarters
>     > and have them verified as a legal body where the locals can be
>     > comfortable to seek such information from.
>     >
>     > It's what I suggest.
>     >
>     > Steven
>     >
>     > On Sep 21, 2014 9:48 PM, "Kateregga Geoffrey"
>     <kateregga1 at gmail.com <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>
>     > <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     During the recently concluded Mapping Day road trip in Eastern
>     >     Uganda  we met an NGO who would like to use mapping to help
>     solve
>     >     one of the biggest problems in their community "Land
>     Wrangles". What
>     >     do you think is the best way to use OSM / Mapping to solve
>     this problem?
>     >
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>     Message: 3
>     Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:05:02 +0200
>     From: Kasozi Brian <briankasozi at gmail.com
>     <mailto:briankasozi at gmail.com>>
>     To: Kateregga Geoffrey <kateregga1 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>>
>     Cc: talk-ug at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ug at openstreetmap.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Talk-ug] Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in
>             Rural   Areas
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>     <CAKZpjqvVVFqw2hZBTRjgT08XftU0in4g_zzeTmNBrOTaeuSxsA at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAKZpjqvVVFqw2hZBTRjgT08XftU0in4g_zzeTmNBrOTaeuSxsA at mail.gmail.com>>
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>     This would be really a great idea to think about and actually
>     implement.
>     But it will still need to bring the land board on in order to make it
>     really practical.
>     Already a similar solution is running.  If there was a way and am sure
>     there is a way to integrate OSM with the maps being used by the
>     land board.
>
>     Joseph Brian
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>     Message: 4
>     Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:06:05 +0300
>     From: Karl Tiller <info at karl-tiller.de <mailto:info at karl-tiller.de>>
>     To: talk-ug at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ug at openstreetmap.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Talk-ug] Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in
>             Rural Areas
>     Message-ID: <54210DCD.1060605 at karl-tiller.de
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>     Hello,
>     sorry not for answering earlier.
>     We did some work in the north, as Kris mentioned. However, we will
>     start
>     soon (hopefully) a new pilot project to map landownership. Additional
>     information will be captured to build up an info-system.
>
>     BRGDS
>     Karl
>     GIS Centre, Makerere University, Kampala,UG
>
>     On 9/22/2014 11:52 PM, Krischan Makowka wrote:
>     > Hello,
>     >
>     > A colleague of mine who works at the Makerere GIS lab did something
>     > quite similar with "regular" GIS 2 years or so ago.
>     >
>     > Send him a message if you want to know more: info at karl-tiller.de
>     <mailto:info at karl-tiller.de>
>     >
>     > Personally I am doubtful if mapping will solve to underlying
>     resource
>     > conflicts and different livelihood styles, but it might be a
>     first step.
>     > Note though that any kind of formalization of land-owner ship is
>     > ultimately a advantage for farmers (usually the richer ones) and a
>     > disadvantage for pastoralists that depend on communal land
>     (especially
>     > the poorer ones).
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > -Kris
>     >
>     >
>     > Am 22.09.2014 um 21:09 schrieb Bukulu Steven:
>     >> Thank you Geoffrey,
>     >>
>     >> My opinion would be, they record coordinates of different land
>     portions
>     >> especially at the corners, have the recorded at the NGO's
>     headquarters
>     >> and have them verified as a legal body where the locals can be
>     >> comfortable to seek such information from.
>     >>
>     >> It's what I suggest.
>     >>
>     >> Steven
>     >>
>     >> On Sep 21, 2014 9:48 PM, "Kateregga Geoffrey"
>     <kateregga1 at gmail.com <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>
>     >> <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com <mailto:kateregga1 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>     During the recently concluded Mapping Day road trip in Eastern
>     >>     Uganda  we met an NGO who would like to use mapping to help
>     solve
>     >>     one of the biggest problems in their community "Land
>     Wrangles". What
>     >>     do you think is the best way to use OSM / Mapping to solve this
>     >> problem?
>     >>
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>     Message: 5
>     Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:19:24 +0300
>     From: Reinier Battenberg <reinier.battenberg at mountbatten.net
>     <mailto:reinier.battenberg at mountbatten.net>>
>     To: talk-ug at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ug at openstreetmap.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Talk-ug] Using OSM Mapping to solve land conflicts in
>             Rural   Areas
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>     Hi Geoffrey,
>
>     OSM can help greatly in mapping the situation as-is. Where the
>     roads, rocks,
>     trees etc etc are.
>
>     It can then be used to put the discussion about legal boundaries
>     in context of
>     the real world. OSM, by nature of being open, is not suitable to
>     actually
>     manage disputes.
>
>     just my 2 cents.
>
>     Rgds,
>
>     Reinier
>
>
>
>
>     On Sunday 21 September 2014 21:47:59 Kateregga Geoffrey wrote:
>     > During the recently concluded Mapping Day road trip in Eastern
>     Uganda  we
>     > met an NGO who would like to use mapping to help solve one of
>     the biggest
>     > problems in their community "Land Wrangles". What do you think
>     is the best
>     > way to use OSM / Mapping to solve this problem?
>
>     --
>     rgds,
>
>     Reinier Battenberg
>     Director
>     Mountbatten Ltd.
>     www.mountbatten.net <http://www.mountbatten.net>
>     tel: +256 758 801749 <tel:%2B256%20758%20801749>
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