[Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

[Russ Nelson]

Well at least in theory, TIGER 2009 is positionally much more
accurate.  Theory.  I reserve judgement either way.

Peter Batty writes:
 > Russ, I think you misunderstood my comment. I am in the "TIGER import is a
 > good thing" camp. But in the areas I have worked in it has needed a fair bit
 > of minor positional cleanup. My point is that in those cases where you need
 > to graphically adjust a street, I don't want to have to edit three or more
 > ways because there are additional address ways on either side of the street.
 > 
 > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Russ Nelson <nelson at crynwr.com> wrote:
 > 
 > > Anthony writes:
 > >  > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Peter Batty <peter.batty at gmail.com>
 > > wrote:
 > >  > > I'm coming a bit late to this debate, but I just wanted to raise
 > >  > > a fairly basic question, which is whether the Karlsruhe schema is
 > >  > > the best one to use in the situation we find ourselves in with
 > >  > > TIGER, where quite a bit of data cleanup is anticipated.
 > >
 > > Peter, I have to challenge you on this.  *Some* TIGER data needs quite
 > > a bit of cleanup.  *Some* TIGER data is already in good shape, and the
 > > only fixes needed are 1) joining at county borders and 2) unjoining at
 > > bridges.  Just for grins, I looked at Ogdensburg, NY.  Been there a
 > > few dozen times and hadn't done any editing (uploading as I send
 > > this).
 > >
 > > Frankly, I see very little that needs correcting, and all the usual
 > > stuff that needs to be added ... which would need to be added without
 > > the TIGER data.  Like footpaths, buildings, POIs.
 > >
 > > So yeah, a lot of work above and beyond TIGER.  It's not like there's
 > > a shortage of improvements.  It's ridiculous to claim that the TIGER
 > > import has caused anybody to not edit.  If it has, then we've failed
 > > to explain exactly how wonderful OSM can look when it's "fully"
 > > populated.
 > >
 > >  > I signed up for the "USA 'conversion team'" with the express intention
 > >  > of challenging the use of the Karlsruhe schema.
 > >
 > > Anthony, what is your design?  How is it better than Karlsruhe?  Is it
 > > in the wiki yet, so the rest of us can see it?
 > >
 > > --
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 > >
 > 
 > 
 > 
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 > Peter Batty - President, Spatial Networking
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 > Russ, I think you misunderstood my comment. I am in the "TIGER import is a good thing" camp. But in the areas I have worked in it has needed a fair bit of minor positional cleanup. My point is that in those cases where you need to graphically adjust a street, I don't want to have to edit three or more ways because there are additional address ways on either side of the street.<br>
 > <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Russ Nelson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nelson at crynwr.com">nelson at crynwr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
 > <div class="im">Anthony writes:<br>
 >  > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Peter Batty <<a href="mailto:peter.batty at gmail.com">peter.batty at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
 >  > > I'm coming a bit late to this debate, but I just wanted to raise<br>
 >  > > a fairly basic question, which is whether the Karlsruhe schema is<br>
 >  > > the best one to use in the situation we find ourselves in with<br>
 >  > > TIGER, where quite a bit of data cleanup is anticipated.<br>
 > <br>
 > </div>Peter, I have to challenge you on this.  *Some* TIGER data needs quite<br>
 > a bit of cleanup.  *Some* TIGER data is already in good shape, and the<br>
 > only fixes needed are 1) joining at county borders and 2) unjoining at<br>
 > bridges.  Just for grins, I looked at Ogdensburg, NY.  Been there a<br>
 > few dozen times and hadn't done any editing (uploading as I send<br>
 > this).<br>
 > <br>
 > Frankly, I see very little that needs correcting, and all the usual<br>
 > stuff that needs to be added ... which would need to be added without<br>
 > the TIGER data.  Like footpaths, buildings, POIs.<br>
 > <br>
 > So yeah, a lot of work above and beyond TIGER.  It's not like there's<br>
 > a shortage of improvements.  It's ridiculous to claim that the TIGER<br>
 > import has caused anybody to not edit.  If it has, then we've failed<br>
 > to explain exactly how wonderful OSM can look when it's "fully"<br>
 > populated.<br>
 > <div class="im"><br>
 >  > I signed up for the "USA 'conversion team'" with the express intention<br>
 >  > of challenging the use of the Karlsruhe schema.<br>
 > <br>
 > </div>Anthony, what is your design?  How is it better than Karlsruhe?  Is it<br>
 > in the wiki yet, so the rest of us can see it?<br>
 > <div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
 > --<br>
 > --my blog is at    <a href="http://blog.russnelson.com" target="_blank">http://blog.russnelson.com</a><br>
 > Crynwr supports open source software<br>
 > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241<br>
 > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213  |     Sheepdog<br>
 > </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Peter Batty - President, Spatial Networking<br>W: +1 303 339 0957  M: +1 720 346 3954<br>Blog: <a href="http://geothought.blogspot.com">http://geothought.blogspot.com</a><br>
 > 
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