[Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes

Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com
Sat Oct 31 03:59:06 GMT 2009


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>wrote:

> On 10/30/09 6:59 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes?
>>
>> I know we haven
>> lcn= for local cycle routes (named&  not named)
>> rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area)
>>
>> then there's
>> ncn=for nation wide
>> but there's no
>> scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network)
>>
>>
> i'm using rcn, it seemed the closest. maybe scn should be created?
>
> richard
>
> lcn = is light blue... local cycle routes
rcn = dark blue .... regional cycle routes
ncn = red ... national cycle routes

... and ya, i think maybe a pink or  a green for a scn. .. i would also
recommend that pcn be used in the same way (as come contries uses province')
So, if both tags do the same thing, that would be a good solution.

In switzerland, the lcn is shown as regional cycle route... town to  town,
where the dark blue is shown locally. (so if the the dark blue and light
blue were swiched)

So if switzerland was used as the basis... we have.

rcn = dark blue (local cycle routes)
lcn = light blue (reginal cycle routes) or state cycle routes or region of
greater London area)
ncn = red national cycle route (that cross state/regional/province lines)

And where the local cycle routes are not listed... simply becacuase bicycles
can go everywhere that a car can go.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26242773

indicated that the way is part of the national cycle network
and on the other side of the river

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/32391713
is indicated as part of the rcn .. in light blue...

Where the dark blue appears to be only in the big cities..
such as Basel, where this dark blue is what connects the communities that
are IN basel.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.5615&lon=7.6077&zoom=12&layers=00B0FTFT

....
So in other words... i think its a social thing.

We (in north America) think Bicycling as a 'recreation', where it's a
week-end thing, and just for the ''cycling people".   As the Automobile, is
considered 1st when cities are planned out.  They are simply designed with
the expectation that cars are to be driven everywhere.

So, on the otherhand, in Switzerland (when the city planners design
communities), they right away look at 3 things.  How pedestrians will use
the community, how cyclest will use the community, and lastly, how cars will
manuver through the city to get to the next city.

Where as, in North America, it's only pedestrians that get consideration, so
'sidewalks' are planed on every street, ... and it's only in the last 20
years that 'curbs' so wheel chairs can access them. (in MANY areas) we still
dont have accessable curbs.

....
So i propose that we start making the cyclemap, with the 'expectation' that
cyclists are allowed FULL use of roads.. (accept of course free-ways), and
bi-ways,  cyclists are expected to use the shoulder where available.  And it
doesn't need to be marked.

So this might require some effort on our part, and perhaps we need to have a
new tag for "ccr" city cycle route
... and this might eleviate the problem.
As in the case of our example, the cyclemap for Solothurn, it doesnt
indicate which roads are 'cycle friendly'   that's probably becuase they ALL
are. :-)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.20696&lon=7.54861&zoom=15&layers=00B0FTF

Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails
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