[Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes

mike.onines at juno.com mike.onines at juno.com
Sat Oct 31 05:37:56 GMT 2009


Most large municipalities in the US have come up with a master bicycle plan in order to remain competitive for federal transportation dollars.  This means they have taken a look at routes to recommend to cyclists who are cycling between communities or across town.  Obviously all roads not specifically prohibited are available to cyclists, but the master bicycle plan is intended to provide recommended routes which avoid areas where aggressive driving or narrow rights-of-way make a cyclist's legal right to the road less comfortable for all but the most hardened vehicular cyclist.
In California, these master bicycle plans are being implemented with signage for shared-use roadways, striping for dedicated on-road bicycle lanes, and occasional separate right-of-way trails.  In my city the current in-place signage and lane markings do not make for a continuous travel path across portions of the city yet, but since the the long-range plan provides fairly good connectivity I am using the master plan to mark the LCN in the city.  In my case I'm tagging to show the current status, and watching as improvements are made to extend the tagged network into continuous cross-town and inter-neighborhood connections.
I don't necessarily think there is a need yet for "SCN", as the "RCN" designation is a pretty good fit for long-distance "touring" routes across or between states.  In the US and Canada the NCN will be reserved for the continuous cross-country touring routes along with any north-south interconnects that may be added to the circuit.
So to my mind:
LCN: Utility cycling (commuter) or single-day recreation focused network.  This could include extensions between neighboring municipalities if the extensions could reasonably be expected to be used on an out-and-back single-day ride.
RCN: Routes with longer distance connections allowing for multi-day recreational touring trips
NCN: Cross-country systems for extended (months-long) touring.
For the most part these should be as designated by "official" organizations.  City or county governments for the LCN's.  If the city or county government does not have a master plan then a local cycling interest club can be the organization designating the LCN.  RCN's would be designated by county or state governments, or large-area enthusiast clubs.  Nation-wide enthusiast clubs / non-profits designate the NCN's

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Sam Vekemans <acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com>
To: Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>
Cc: paulrothe at shaw.ca, "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging at openstreetmap.org>, talk-us at openstreetmap.org, Andy Allan <andy at cloudmade.com>, Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:59:06 -0700



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net> wrote:
On 10/30/09 6:59 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote:
Hi,
how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes?

I know we haven
lcn= for local cycle routes (named&  not named)
rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area)

then there's
ncn=for nation wide
but there's no
scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network)
  
i'm using rcn, it seemed the closest. maybe scn should be created?

richard

lcn = is light blue... local cycle routes 
rcn = dark blue .... regional cycle routes
ncn = red ... national cycle routes

... and ya, i think maybe a pink or  a green for a scn. .. i would also recommend that pcn be used in the same way (as come contries uses province') So, if both tags do the same thing, that would be a good solution.

In switzerland, the lcn is shown as regional cycle route... town to  town, where the dark blue is shown locally. (so if the the dark blue and light blue were swiched)

So if switzerland was used as the basis... we have.

rcn = dark blue (local cycle routes)
lcn = light blue (reginal cycle routes) or state cycle routes or region of greater London area)
ncn = red national cycle route (that cross state/regional/province lines) 

And where the local cycle routes are not listed... simply becacuase bicycles can go everywhere that a car can go. 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26242773

indicated that the way is part of the national cycle network
and on the other side of the river

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/32391713
is indicated as part of the rcn .. in light blue...

Where the dark blue appears to be only in the big cities..
such as Basel, where this dark blue is what connects the communities that are IN basel.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.5615&lon=7.6077&zoom=12&layers=00B0FTFT

....
So in other words... i think its a social thing.

We (in north America) think Bicycling as a 'recreation', where it's a week-end thing, and just for the ''cycling people".   As the Automobile, is considered 1st when cities are planned out.  They are simply designed with the expectation that cars are to be driven everywhere.

So, on the otherhand, in Switzerland (when the city planners design communities), they right away look at 3 things.  How pedestrians will use the community, how cyclest will use the community, and lastly, how cars will manuver through the city to get to the next city.

Where as, in North America, it's only pedestrians that get consideration, so 'sidewalks' are planed on every street, ... and it's only in the last 20 years that 'curbs' so wheel chairs can access them. (in MANY areas) we still dont have accessable curbs.

....
So i propose that we start making the cyclemap, with the 'expectation' that cyclists are allowed FULL use of roads.. (accept of course free-ways), and bi-ways,  cyclists are expected to use the shoulder where available.  And it doesn't need to be marked.

So this might require some effort on our part, and perhaps we need to have a new tag for "ccr" city cycle route
... and this might eleviate the problem.
As in the case of our example, the cyclemap for Solothurn, it doesnt indicate which roads are 'cycle friendly'   that's probably becuase they ALL are. :-)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.20696&lon=7.54861&zoom=15&layers=00B0FTF

Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

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