[Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

Anthony osm at inbox.org
Sat Sep 10 04:55:54 BST 2011

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 23:43 -0400, Anthony wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Peter Dobratz <peter at dobratz.us> wrote:
>> >> Do you think it makes more sense to tag the apartment complexes as
>> >> access=destination or access=private? The complexes are not usually private.
>> >
>> > I'd even consider not putting access restrictions on them at all,
>> > unless there is some rule that you shouldn't be using them as a
>> > through street.  What if you are walking or on a bicycle?
>> What about jurisdictions like New Jersey, which have this law:
>> New Jersey 39:4-66.2 "Except for emergency vehicles and motor vehicles
>> being operated at the direction of a law enforcement officer, no
>> person shall drive a motor vehicle on public property, except public
>> roads or highways, or private property, with or without the permission
>> of the owner, for the purpose of avoiding a traffic control signal or
>> sign."
> That's a pretty normal consideration and most routers avoid cutting
> through service/living_street situations as is (though explicit tagging
> is never bad).
>> Would such private ways, which could be used to avoid a stop sign, be
>> access=permissive, motor_vehicle=destination?  I don't know.  I
>> thought access=destination was only to be used for rights of way.  And
>> I think if I were coding a router I'd avoid using an access=permissive
>> as a through street anyway.  But maybe that's my
>> learned-to-drive-in-New-Jersey bias.
> I wouldn't consider it permissive by bicycle in such a circumstance,
> because most (all?) places in the US consider bicycles vehicles except
> when operated in extremely limited circumstances (effectively making a
> cyclist act like a pedestrian), since pedestrians are normally exempt
> from intersection signals if their trip takes them down a contiguous
> sidewalk that doesn't cross the street.

The NJ law in question is regarding driving a *motor* vehicle on
public property, though.  That law doesn't apply to bicycles, though I
can't say for certain that there isn't another law which does.

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