[Talk-us] [Imports] shawnee county landuse

[Toby Murray]

Just saw some of this going in and decided to take a look.
Specifically this node:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2078174875

- I think there is pretty good consensus that we don't need addr:state
and addr:country tags
- The addr:street tag has odd capitalization
- The building=* tag typically doesn't belong on nodes
- It has both building and landuse tags. Seems odd.
- There doesn't appear to be a building there on Bing. Is it new?
- Not sure about all the lbcs: tags. Sometimes it is useful to pull in
external information but it is also clutter in OSM
- The tags are all identical to this node that is 60 meters north:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2078081231

Seems like this could use some more fixing up before it hits the OSM database.

Toby


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Mike  Dupont
<jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
> I have added the info to the wiki
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas/Shawnee_County/Import
>
> also the scripts are updated. I am been manually replacing the  plot info
> with just the building, so the only info being imported are the house
> numbers and zip codes and the lbcs tags. Also for the new script, I create a
> single point with the average location of the points making up the plot and
> then manually place that on top of the major building manually. this checks
> the data and also basically removes all data being copied, everything is
> only just the basic facts.
>
> mike
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Mike Dupont
> <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer
>> <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 15/dic/2012 um 22:39 schrieb Mike  Dupont
>>> <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com>:
>>>
>>>> 3.       What tagging are you proposing?
>>>
>>> addr:* and landuse
>>> the only additional tag are the four detailed landuse tags
>>> eg
>>> lbcs:activity:code    {1100=1}
>>> lbcs:activity:name    {Household activities=1}
>>> lbcs:function:code    {1170=1}
>>> lbcs:function:name    {Garden apartment complex (1=1}
>>>
>>> These codes are details on how the lot is zoned. otherwise I am using
>>> this information for fixing the street names and zip codes.
>>>
>>> Are the landuses you plan to tag actual landuses or permitted/planned
>>> landuses?
>>
>>
>> These are actual landuses, the ones that describe the business.
>> when you register a business here in kansas, you have to provide this
>> information.
>> https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s1
>>
>> I will also be looking into how that data can be extracted and compared
>> some day. This is more than zoning infomation.
>> If you look at this for example :
>> http://www.snco.us/Ap/C_prop/Listing.asp?PRCL_ID=0973604030001000
>>
>> "2151-Grocery store / supermarket"
>> "2110-Goods-oriented shopping"
>> that is very accurate and could be used for direct tag information.
>>
>> there is a building layer on the snco gis site, but I have not figured out
>> how to extract it, it seems to be hidden. So I am tracing them from bing.
>> http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/7
>> http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/8
>>
>>>> 4.       The last few times someone has proposed importing property lot
>>>> data the consensus has been that that type of data shouldn’t be imported
>>>> into OSM. Why is this different?
>>>
>>> I am importing the plots for zipcode, house number and address data. It
>>> is being used to tag the buildings, it can be deleted when it has been
>>> totally processed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO addresses belong (often) to plots, so in these cases there is no
>>> point in transferring the address information to a building. Don't remember
>>> consensus to not import property limits. I do remember though that there
>>> were concerns about the sheer amount of data increase if we imported this
>>> for the whole world.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Well these are plots/property limits. And I dont want to import them for
>> the whole world, just the streets  that I am tracing buildings from so that
>> I can quickly find locations. Also did you notice that
>> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ can now find house numbers accurately
>> for these streets I imported :
>>
>> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=2033+Southwest+Wanamaker+Rd%2C+Topeka%2C+Kansas&viewbox=-217.97%2C80.28%2C217.97%2C-70.31
>>
>> Until the houses are traced and the data transfered like i did here :
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/196582551 I removed the plot and
>> the lbcs data and left only the house itself.
>> I forgot the landuse=residential.
>>
>> --
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