[Talk-us] Fwd: Scrubbing route relations

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Fri Oct 19 03:08:31 BST 2012

Dammit, I hit reply instead of reply-to-list.  Apologies to Mike if he
expected this to be private.  I'd also appreciate input on Indian roads,
since, with the exception of Laguna Pueblo roads (all of which have
reference numbers starting with "L"), I'm not sure how to properly
differentiate each tribe's roads from one another, or even properly
classify them as a network.  Not sure if they would be their own top level
network or as a subnet of US (network=US:Cherokee vs network=Cherokee as
example) given the greatly varied treaty status of various nations...see
also previously mentioned concerns about aboriginal indigenous/indian
reservation tagging and administration boundaries from 2010 that still go

(The whole tribal boundary tagging and tribal road tagging thing is rearing
it's ugly head for me again since 1) I'm back in Tulsa and it's kind of a
major issue in this part of North America, what with 34 tribes in well
under a day's drive from me, and 2) I just drove Historic US 66 from the
Santa Monica Pier to get back here, and the modern network and route are
often tribal in nature, so this is by no means whatsoever a regionally
isolated problem, and i'd like to have some idea how I'm going to handle
that problem when I start going over my Route 66 traces).

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michal Migurski <mike at stamen.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations
To: Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>

Yes, I like that!

The one issue I have with omitting the "CR" is that it becomes hard to
categorize anything as county roads generally without knowing all 3,500 US
county names.


On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:

> A little convoluted.  I'd rather see something on the order of
> network=US:US, ref=75 would be US 75.
> network=US:OK, ref=33 would be Oklahoma State Highway 33.
> network=US:CA:San Bernardino, ref=66 would be San Bernardino County Route
66 in California.
> network=US:OR:Multnomah:Portland name=Scenic Loop would be the Portland
city Scenic Loop route in Multnomah County, Oregon.
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Michal Migurski <mike at stamen.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard, thanks!
> The "CR" vs. County name thing is new to me. Another mapper suggested
that I replace them with something like this so it's not necessary to know
all the county names in order to correctly interpret something as a county
>         network=US:NY:CR:Rensselaer
> Kosher?
> -mike.
> On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
> > the scrubbing looks mostly ok, BUT...
> >
> > i am one of the folks who started out using US:<state>:CR for county
route networks, which i now believe was
> > a mistake. we really should be using county names, not CR in the
network tag, e.g.
> >
> > network=US:NY:Rensselaer
> >
> > otherwise we can't really tell which county the route is in, and can't
distinguish CR 1 in Columbia County from CR 1 in
> > Rensselaer County.
> >
> > richard
> >
> > On 10/18/12 7:26 PM, Michal Migurski wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> We're getting ready to do a major data update to the Stamen Terrain
layer and I've been working on scrubbing the route relations data from OSM.
I've linked to a before and after CSV, processed via Google Refine to
normalize networks, refs and modifiers.
> >>
> >> I'm curious to get some feedback on it:
> >>      http://mike.teczno.com/img/osm-scrubbed-routes-2012-09.zip
> >>
> >
> >
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