[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Apollinaris Schöll aschoell at gmail.com
Sat Feb 9 00:23:24 GMT 2013

I looked a bit more and in many jurisdiction it's illegal anyway to go
around a traffic jam  by exiting a freeway and go back direct on the next
onramp. Even more reason to have a restriction. Tested Google maps and it
will make a big detour to avoid this illegal straight on.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:

> Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando area other than NE2
> could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me chasing a Mapdust bug
> out to his area).
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <aschoell at gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>wrote:
>>> NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling
>>> on this relation before I revert:
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811
>>> Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in
>>> Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ.  Despite left turn only markings on
>>> the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on
>>> movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse
>>> that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall
>>> having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any
>>> such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left
>>> turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal
>>> standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that
>>> section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be
>>> omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow
>>> would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane).
>>> Who's right?
>> You. it's clearly signed on the pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge
>> his interpretation in court. So as long as no one gets a ticket and wins
>> the court case it's the right thing to have a restriction.
>> And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of
>> crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even consider
>> to contact him.
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