[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Kathleen Danielson kathleen.danielson at gmail.com
Sun Feb 10 12:58:52 GMT 2013

Out of curiosity, is asking someone to leave the project something that we
have done before? I'm wondering what kind of precedents we've set for
ourself. I am only vaguely familiar with the circumstances around this user
being removed from the list, so I'm curious about the decision to ban
someone from the list while still allowing him or her to make edits, even
though they can no longer participate in public discourse. I'm certainly
not trying to suggest that it was the "wrong" decision, just mentioning my
On Feb 10, 2013 12:31 AM, "stevea" <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> Russ, I second your vote/motion, not that anybody called for a second, or
> even that I am able to offer it.  What I AM able to do is "be civil" and
> "use the talk-us list, as it is our nationwide forum to discuss."  There
> are plenty of other "consensus understandings" that might be loosely called
> "rules" which make up the fabric of OSM as a community.  NE2 has again
> proven that he is either unwilling or unable to abide by those.
>  Consequently, I think we should inform him that serious discussion of
> permanently banning him from OSM (this thread) is underway, and his
> behavior can either change for the better, or he can count on eventually
> being permanently banned.  He has had plenty of opportunities to do so, and
> so I am not optimistic he will be around much longer.  But if the community
> wants him, that can emerge as a consensus as well.
> His "better" (than nothing) edits are in a clear minority compared to the
> usual messes he makes.  He DOES, for better or worse, stir controversy,
> which is why we discuss, which is part of the community. If, for that
> reason alone (that he is controversial), there are those who do not wish to
> ban him, speak up now, as you may (may) be able to make the case that we
> need somebody like him as an example of what to do with difficult
> contributors.  I think it is unanimous that he is that, at least.
> I wouldn't miss him if he were gone, either.
> SteveA
> California
>  He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect
>> him to discuss this issue here.
>> We had a discussion of whether to ban him from editing in the past,
>> which never really got resolved. It just died out. Yes, he's done a
>> lot of editing, and yes, some of his edits have been fruitful, but no,
>> some of his edits have been less than helpful. I wouldn't miss him if
>> he were gone.
>> I vote, not that anybody called for a vote, to ask him to leave.
>> -russ
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