[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Michal Migurski mike at teczno.com
Sun Feb 10 13:56:54 GMT 2013

I don't agree. NE2’s edits, most of all the route relations, are enormously valuable to OSM in the US. I'm not aware of any precedent for banning a user like this, and I'm not eager to see one set. 


michal migurski http://mike.teczno.com

On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:30 PM, stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> Russ, I second your vote/motion, not that anybody called for a second, or even that I am able to offer it.  What I AM able to do is "be civil" and "use the talk-us list, as it is our nationwide forum to discuss."  There are plenty of other "consensus understandings" that might be loosely called "rules" which make up the fabric of OSM as a community.  NE2 has again proven that he is either unwilling or unable to abide by those.  Consequently, I think we should inform him that serious discussion of permanently banning him from OSM (this thread) is underway, and his behavior can either change for the better, or he can count on eventually being permanently banned.  He has had plenty of opportunities to do so, and so I am not optimistic he will be around much longer.  But if the community wants him, that can emerge as a consensus as well.
> His "better" (than nothing) edits are in a clear minority compared to the usual messes he makes.  He DOES, for better or worse, stir controversy, which is why we discuss, which is part of the community. If, for that reason alone (that he is controversial), there are those who do not wish to ban him, speak up now, as you may (may) be able to make the case that we need somebody like him as an example of what to do with difficult contributors.  I think it is unanimous that he is that, at least.
> I wouldn't miss him if he were gone, either.
> SteveA
> California
>> He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect
>> him to discuss this issue here.
>> We had a discussion of whether to ban him from editing in the past,
>> which never really got resolved. It just died out. Yes, he's done a
>> lot of editing, and yes, some of his edits have been fruitful, but no,
>> some of his edits have been less than helpful. I wouldn't miss him if
>> he were gone.
>> I vote, not that anybody called for a vote, to ask him to leave.
>> -russ
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