[Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

[Paul Johnson]

Someone in the Valley Forge area also tagged refs on a LOT of four-digit
State Routes that aren't signed...seems like this belongs in a relation
with unsigned_ref and the ref should be unsigned_ref.  Yes, I know they're
on the bridge placards and what not, but there's no route shields on these.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:58 PM, James Mast <rickmastfan67 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Same thing goes with Florida.  Just the state outline.
>
> Heck, in Pennsylvania, originally on BGS's before we started to use the
> Keystone shield, we used the 'PA' abbreviation (one such sign that still
> stands [1]).  However, now on the little white reference mileage signs [2]
> that PennDOT posts on roads they maintain, it says 'SR' (even on
> Interstates).  However, PennDOT recently posted a nice little gem on PA-28
> @ Exit #6 going both directions that goes back in time and mentions the
> 'PA' on the sign. [3]  There are at least 3 of these signs (2 going SB, at
> least 1 going NB).
>
> -James
>
> [1] - http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme
> [2] - http://goo.gl/maps/ARr9s
> [3] - http://youtu.be/W3xI5Y8eRk4?t=2m1s (the video needs to be paused
> right here @ 2m1s to see the sign clearly)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: burkejf3 at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:55:13 -0500
> To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)
>
> In Georgia, (almost?) all state roads are signed with the state outline
> and the highway number, but no "GA" or "Georgia" text with it. Occasionally
> you might see "State Road" or "State Route" printed on the sign in addition
> to the state outline. In some very rural areas, I think there might still
> be a few un-logoed signs, but probably not many.
>
> -jack
>
> On November 30, 2014 5:58:53 PM EST, Minh Nguyen <
> minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us> wrote:
>
> On 2014-11-30 10:41, stevea wrote:
>
>  My two cents:  I must say that here in California, I've made it a habit
>  to remove the "County Route" designation (CR) which precedes a ref
>  number in our County Route system.  For example, NE2 (a banned-from-OSM
>  former contributor for those unfamiliar with that history) entered ref
>  tags for many G2, N1... county routes as "CR G2" and "CR N1."  That, in
>  my opinion, is so redundant (as G and N and A and S... are well-known
>  multi-county/regional-within-California county highway networks) as to
>  be true clutter.  People in California do know (and routing software,
>  renderers... SHOULD know) that A1, G2, N4 and S16 are county routes in a
>  lettered system where each letter represents a cluster of counties...at
>  least in California.
>
>
> Some northwest Ohio counties post shields along section line roads that
> say A, B, C, etc. So far I've been tagging them like "CR A", even though
> you'd be hard-pressed to find that style anywhere outside of OSM.
> Instead of reducing ambiguity, I wonder if the "CR" may cause very mild
> confusion, for example when a router tells its user to turn onto "CR R".
>
>  Also, while "SR" (for "State Route" in California and other states) is
>  still legally correct, I still might change for consistency's sake any
>  "SR" prefix I see in a highway route relation ref tag to be "CA"
>  instead.  So, while "SR 17" is correct, I much prefer "CA 17" and will
>  change it to that if I see SR in a California highway route relation ref
>  tag.
>
>
> Yes, usage is different in California. I've only ever seen "SR" on
> signage a few times, in rather obscure places. But in Ohio, it's ubiquitous.
>
>  I agree with what we (as OSM volunteers entering/editing data in our
>  map) now do, as well as what map styles/renderers and routing engines
>  do, as Minh notes above:  "recognize the state abbreviation, SR or SH."
>  Yes, Michigan still has its M- routes, and I think OSM (both its human
>  editors and software components) should just learn to cope with that
>  (plus perhaps a few other states) as exceptions to this largely (though
>  not completely) applicable rule.  I believe we are pretty much there,
>  but we still have edge cases, data in the map and newer contributors who
>  are not completely familiar with these conventions in the USA.
>  Discussing it here helps, though wiki documentation and taginfo data
>  which are consistent across
> the fifty states is better.
>
>
> My response to anyone who wants more consistency is that route relations
> are the way forward. They may be painful now but they make the data a
> lot less subject to interpretation.
>
>
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