[Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA area

Volker Schmidt voschix at gmail.com
Mon Jan 6 13:39:51 UTC 2014


According to the USGS Scanned Topographic Maps Layer (in JOSM) there was a
"Sur School (abandoned)" exactly on the other side of the road from where
the actual node is in OSM (I suppose where the stand of trees is on the
areal photograph). I mapped in that area in 2011 and was also looking for
it, but did not find anything on the ground, but I did not look on the
other side of the road (I did not use the scanned maps layer at the time).

I suggest you move the node across the street, add a source "USGS Sacnned
Topographic Maps" and mark it as abandoned. There is certainly no building
there any more.

Volker
(Padova, Italy)


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> From: Sebastian Arcus <s.arcus at open-t.co.uk>
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> Subject: [Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA area
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> I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes I've
> taken two months ago, and I've stumbled over this school on the map:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.31044/-121.88636
>
> A search on the Internet doesn't reveal anything called "Sur School". A
> search for schools in the area reveals some schools further south - but
> nothing close to where this school is on the map and nothing similar
> sounding. Also, looking at the satellite imagery, there is nothing close
> to this point on the map that looks like either a building or some
> remnants of one. There are the disused "Point Sur Naval Facility"
> buildings on the other side of the road, but we know what those are and
> they are not a school.
>
> I think the best thing to do is to delete this object. However, could
> someone who either lives in the area or has local knowledge confirm that
> this school really doesn't exist. All the evidence so far points to it
> being the case, but it would be nice if we could have "on the ground"
> confirmation before I delete it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:04:49 -0500
> From: Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>
> To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA
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> On 1/5/14 3:21 PM, Sebastian Arcus wrote:
> > I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes I've
> > taken two months ago, and I've stumbled over this school on the map:
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.31044/-121.88636
> >
> > A search on the Internet doesn't reveal anything called "Sur School".
> > A search for schools in the area reveals some schools further south -
> > but nothing close to where this school is on the map and nothing
> > similar sounding. Also, looking at the satellite imagery, there is
> > nothing close to this point on the map that looks like either a
> > building or some remnants of one. There are the disused "Point Sur
> > Naval Facility" buildings on the other side of the road, but we know
> > what those are and they are not a school.
> >
> > I think the best thing to do is to delete this object. However, could
> > someone who either lives in the area or has local knowledge confirm
> > that this school really doesn't exist. All the evidence so far points
> > to it being the case, but it would be nice if we could have "on the
> > ground" confirmation before I delete it.
> that's from the GNIS import. there is some good data in the GNIS import,
> but there is some bad data and some out of date data as well. the
> wrong/out of date stuff is frequently schools, churches, etc. best if
> you can persuade a local to check it out, but the odds are that it
> should be 1) deleted or 2) arked historic
>
> richard
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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:08:31 -0500
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> Hi All,
>
> I hope that you are off to a great start on your mapping activities for
> 2014.
>
> OpenStreetMap is certainly off to a great start.  User emacsen wrote a
> compelling article today that drove a significant number of new
> mappers to OpenStreetMap.  That's some great advocacy, right there.
> The article is really aimed at folks who are not yet mappers, so not
> really the same audience of these lists, as we're already mappers.
> but you might enjoy the article anyway.  Have a look.
>
> http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/
>
> In 2014 we will see the 10 anniversary / birthday of OpenStreetMap.
> What are you going to do to celebrate?  We (the local mappers in
> Toronto) will host another OpenStreetMap Mapiversary party, details to
> be determined, how about your local group?
>
> On that subject, is this the year that you'll start a local mapping
> group in your town?
>
> I've never understood why it is that the German community has groups
> of mappers that meet each month, in just about every city, town and
> village of size, while in North America those groups are very rare.
> It could be that the difference is you.  You can start a successful,
> self-sustaining local group that meets each month to discuss
> OpenStreetMap.  So you should do that.  It's great fun.
>
> Part of our fun in Toronto in 2013 included, the 9th birthday party,
> including a map cake.  Twelve regularly scheduled Mappy Hour events,
> two formal presentation events, three special guest events to
> celebrate august mappers visiting from other places.  (and a little
> bit of a flood, but we soldiered on anyway.)
>
> What about this thread?  Tell me, what your plans are for 2014?
>
> and have a Mappy New Year,
>
> Richard
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>
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