[Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA area
Sebastian Arcus
s.arcus at open-t.co.uk
Mon Jan 6 21:07:15 UTC 2014
Thanks Volker. It's interesting that there is at least one source that
suggests the existence of that school at some point in time, at least.
On 06/01/14 13:39, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> According to the USGS Scanned Topographic Maps Layer (in JOSM) there
> was a "Sur School (abandoned)" exactly on the other side of the road
> from where the actual node is in OSM (I suppose where the stand of
> trees is on the areal photograph). I mapped in that area in 2011 and
> was also looking for it, but did not find anything on the ground, but
> I did not look on the other side of the road (I did not use the
> scanned maps layer at the time).
>
> I suggest you move the node across the street, add a source "USGS
> Sacnned Topographic Maps" and mark it as abandoned. There is certainly
> no building there any more.
>
> Volker
> (Padova, Italy)
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> I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes I've
> taken two months ago, and I've stumbled over this school on the map:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.31044/-121.88636
>
> A search on the Internet doesn't reveal anything called "Sur
> School". A
> search for schools in the area reveals some schools further south
> - but
> nothing close to where this school is on the map and nothing similar
> sounding. Also, looking at the satellite imagery, there is nothing
> close
> to this point on the map that looks like either a building or some
> remnants of one. There are the disused "Point Sur Naval Facility"
> buildings on the other side of the road, but we know what those
> are and
> they are not a school.
>
> I think the best thing to do is to delete this object. However, could
> someone who either lives in the area or has local knowledge
> confirm that
> this school really doesn't exist. All the evidence so far points to it
> being the case, but it would be nice if we could have "on the ground"
> confirmation before I delete it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:04:49 -0500
> From: Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net
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> On 1/5/14 3:21 PM, Sebastian Arcus wrote:
> > I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes
> I've
> > taken two months ago, and I've stumbled over this school on the map:
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.31044/-121.88636
> >
> > A search on the Internet doesn't reveal anything called "Sur
> School".
> > A search for schools in the area reveals some schools further
> south -
> > but nothing close to where this school is on the map and nothing
> > similar sounding. Also, looking at the satellite imagery, there is
> > nothing close to this point on the map that looks like either a
> > building or some remnants of one. There are the disused "Point Sur
> > Naval Facility" buildings on the other side of the road, but we know
> > what those are and they are not a school.
> >
> > I think the best thing to do is to delete this object. However,
> could
> > someone who either lives in the area or has local knowledge confirm
> > that this school really doesn't exist. All the evidence so far
> points
> > to it being the case, but it would be nice if we could have "on the
> > ground" confirmation before I delete it.
> that's from the GNIS import. there is some good data in the GNIS
> import,
> but there is some bad data and some out of date data as well. the
> wrong/out of date stuff is frequently schools, churches, etc. best if
> you can persuade a local to check it out, but the odds are that it
> should be 1) deleted or 2) arked historic
>
> richard
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> Hi All,
>
> I hope that you are off to a great start on your mapping
> activities for 2014.
>
> OpenStreetMap is certainly off to a great start. User emacsen wrote a
> compelling article today that drove a significant number of new
> mappers to OpenStreetMap. That's some great advocacy, right there.
> The article is really aimed at folks who are not yet mappers, so not
> really the same audience of these lists, as we're already mappers.
> but you might enjoy the article anyway. Have a look.
>
> http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/
>
> In 2014 we will see the 10 anniversary / birthday of OpenStreetMap.
> What are you going to do to celebrate? We (the local mappers in
> Toronto) will host another OpenStreetMap Mapiversary party, details to
> be determined, how about your local group?
>
> On that subject, is this the year that you'll start a local mapping
> group in your town?
>
> I've never understood why it is that the German community has groups
> of mappers that meet each month, in just about every city, town and
> village of size, while in North America those groups are very rare.
> It could be that the difference is you. You can start a successful,
> self-sustaining local group that meets each month to discuss
> OpenStreetMap. So you should do that. It's great fun.
>
> Part of our fun in Toronto in 2013 included, the 9th birthday party,
> including a map cake. Twelve regularly scheduled Mappy Hour events,
> two formal presentation events, three special guest events to
> celebrate august mappers visiting from other places. (and a little
> bit of a flood, but we soldiered on anyway.)
>
> What about this thread? Tell me, what your plans are for 2014?
>
> and have a Mappy New Year,
>
> Richard
>
>
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