[Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA area

Sebastian Arcus s.arcus at open-t.co.uk
Mon Jan 6 21:07:15 UTC 2014


Thanks Volker. It's interesting that there is at least one source that 
suggests the existence of that school at some point in time, at least.


On 06/01/14 13:39, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> According to the USGS Scanned Topographic Maps Layer (in JOSM) there 
> was a "Sur School (abandoned)" exactly on the other side of the road 
> from where the actual node is in OSM (I suppose where the stand of 
> trees is on the areal photograph). I mapped in that area in 2011 and 
> was also looking for it, but did not find anything on the ground, but 
> I did not look on the other side of the road (I did not use the 
> scanned maps layer at the time).
>
> I suggest you move the node across the street, add a source "USGS 
> Sacnned Topographic Maps" and mark it as abandoned. There is certainly 
> no building there any more.
>
> Volker
> (Padova, Italy)
>
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>     Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:21:43 +0000
>     From: Sebastian Arcus <s.arcus at open-t.co.uk
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>     Subject: [Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA area
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>     I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes I've
>     taken two months ago, and I've stumbled over this school on the map:
>
>     http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.31044/-121.88636
>
>     A search on the Internet doesn't reveal anything called "Sur
>     School". A
>     search for schools in the area reveals some schools further south
>     - but
>     nothing close to where this school is on the map and nothing similar
>     sounding. Also, looking at the satellite imagery, there is nothing
>     close
>     to this point on the map that looks like either a building or some
>     remnants of one. There are the disused "Point Sur Naval Facility"
>     buildings on the other side of the road, but we know what those
>     are and
>     they are not a school.
>
>     I think the best thing to do is to delete this object. However, could
>     someone who either lives in the area or has local knowledge
>     confirm that
>     this school really doesn't exist. All the evidence so far points to it
>     being the case, but it would be nice if we could have "on the ground"
>     confirmation before I delete it.
>
>     Thanks
>
>
>
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>     Message: 2
>     Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:04:49 -0500
>     From: Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net
>     <mailto:rwelty at averillpark.net>>
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>     Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Help with non-existent school in Big Sur, CA
>             area
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>     On 1/5/14 3:21 PM, Sebastian Arcus wrote:
>     > I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes
>     I've
>     > taken two months ago, and I've stumbled over this school on the map:
>     >
>     > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.31044/-121.88636
>     >
>     > A search on the Internet doesn't reveal anything called "Sur
>     School".
>     > A search for schools in the area reveals some schools further
>     south -
>     > but nothing close to where this school is on the map and nothing
>     > similar sounding. Also, looking at the satellite imagery, there is
>     > nothing close to this point on the map that looks like either a
>     > building or some remnants of one. There are the disused "Point Sur
>     > Naval Facility" buildings on the other side of the road, but we know
>     > what those are and they are not a school.
>     >
>     > I think the best thing to do is to delete this object. However,
>     could
>     > someone who either lives in the area or has local knowledge confirm
>     > that this school really doesn't exist. All the evidence so far
>     points
>     > to it being the case, but it would be nice if we could have "on the
>     > ground" confirmation before I delete it.
>     that's from the GNIS import. there is some good data in the GNIS
>     import,
>     but there is some bad data and some out of date data as well. the
>     wrong/out of date stuff is frequently schools, churches, etc. best if
>     you can persuade a local to check it out, but the odds are that it
>     should be 1) deleted or 2) arked historic
>
>     richard
>
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>     Hi All,
>
>     I hope that you are off to a great start on your mapping
>     activities for 2014.
>
>     OpenStreetMap is certainly off to a great start.  User emacsen wrote a
>     compelling article today that drove a significant number of new
>     mappers to OpenStreetMap.  That's some great advocacy, right there.
>     The article is really aimed at folks who are not yet mappers, so not
>     really the same audience of these lists, as we're already mappers.
>     but you might enjoy the article anyway.  Have a look.
>
>     http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/
>
>     In 2014 we will see the 10 anniversary / birthday of OpenStreetMap.
>     What are you going to do to celebrate?  We (the local mappers in
>     Toronto) will host another OpenStreetMap Mapiversary party, details to
>     be determined, how about your local group?
>
>     On that subject, is this the year that you'll start a local mapping
>     group in your town?
>
>     I've never understood why it is that the German community has groups
>     of mappers that meet each month, in just about every city, town and
>     village of size, while in North America those groups are very rare.
>     It could be that the difference is you.  You can start a successful,
>     self-sustaining local group that meets each month to discuss
>     OpenStreetMap.  So you should do that.  It's great fun.
>
>     Part of our fun in Toronto in 2013 included, the 9th birthday party,
>     including a map cake.  Twelve regularly scheduled Mappy Hour events,
>     two formal presentation events, three special guest events to
>     celebrate august mappers visiting from other places.  (and a little
>     bit of a flood, but we soldiered on anyway.)
>
>     What about this thread?  Tell me, what your plans are for 2014?
>
>     and have a Mappy New Year,
>
>     Richard
>
>
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