[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Using 'Kort' outside of Switzerland

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Fri Jan 17 09:46:59 UTC 2014

Hi Peter

The underlying errors that are used for the challenges in Kort are
generated by keepright
and while the Kort authors select suitable errors for the game itself,
they don't influence what keepright considers an error directly (see
https://github.com/kort/kort/wiki). That said, perhaps a pointer to one
of the roads in question would be helpful, IMHO keepright doesn't
actually complain about missing language on street names (it does about
the same for other objects).


PS: while Switzerland has numerous places that are truly bi-lingual,
most aren't and current practice is not to add and extra name:de,
name:fr, name:it or name:rm if there is only one name (which, if you
think of it might lead to issues in exactly such bi-lingual places).
Anyway I definitely don't have a couple of 100 Kort challenges around
where I live (mono-lingual German speaking region), so likely you are
seeing something different.

Am 17.01.2014 00:24, schrieb Peter Davies:
> Simon,
> I tried Kort here in Portland, Oregon. It gave me some interesting
> things to think about. I'd hoped to send them to talk-ch, but it seems
> I can't without subscribing in the longer term.  Maybe you can relay
> this to your local colleagues?
> Kort gave me three types of mission. One was to enter the language of
> some street names here in Portland. The second was to enter some speed
> limits, and the third was to name a pub.
> As feedback, and as a suggestion on how the game might need to be
> modified for countries outside Switzerland, I don't think that
> specifying the language of a street sign is useful in essentially
> monolingual countries. In the USA, street signs should always be
> considered to be in English. There is no reason to tag them with any
> language in OpenStreetMap.  English is the default.
> There are interesting questions, of course: El Camino Real is a common
> street name in California, and is obviously Spanish, so what is the
> correct English name?  Is it "The Royal Road"? No, I don't think so;
> we would not want to translate this to create an American English
> name.  The correct name in English is  "El Camino Real."  The Spanish
> name has been adopted into English usage.  Local English speakers
> would all say "El Camino Real."
> These thoughts lead me to the "Avenue des Champs-Élysées". Should we
> write "Elysian Fields Avenue" in English? No, of course not.  Almost
> everyone has heard of the Champs-Élysées, and no-one would dream of
> writing the "Elysian Fields". So should we be translating street names
> at all?  My conclusion is that only countries with separate, major
> linguistic communities actually do this. Personally I'd like my map to
> say "Hauptbahnhofstrasse" and not "Central Station Street", so I could
> find it on other maps and signs, or try to ask for it correctly
> in Solothurn.    
> On the other two questions, I knew that the urban speed limits were
> all 25 mph, because this is the blanket limit in Oregon's urban areas,
> but when I tried to enter this it was rejected. I was allowed to enter
> 25, but I worried that Kort might think this was in km/h.  Would it
> enter 25 km/h into OpenStreetMap if someone confirmed my response?
>  Meanwhile I found all of central Portland's residential roads without
> speed tags in JOSM and set them to 25 mph.  
> Finally the pub: I didn't know it!  It still remains to be answered.
> Thank you for this interesting game,
> Peter
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch
> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
>     From the talk mailing list (mandatory disclosure: yes I know the
>     authors).
>     -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>     Hi there,
>     I'm very proud to announce that finally Kort[1] (the OSM game)
>     writes back it's collected solutions to OSM! All changes are made
>     by the OSM user "kort-to-osm"[2], so it's easy to track them.
>     Our actions were coordinated with the local (Swiss) community and
>     the Data Working Group (DWG). According to the "Mechanical Edit
>     Policy"[3] all changesets have the tag mechanical=yes and the
>     users profile page contains all relevant information about the
>     project. With all the extra information in the changeset comment,
>     we are able to trace back an edit through Kort and even further to
>     its source. By the way, for most missions KeepRight[4] is the source.
>     Until now we made over 280 changes. All changes were validated by
>     at least 3 users. There are still lots of solved missions that are
>     just waiting to be validated, so that we are able to finally
>     provides them to OSM.
>     The source code for kort-to-osm is available on GitHub[5], you are
>     very welcome to open issues or provide pull requests. The
>     underlying python library to access the OpenStreetMap API is
>     osmapi[6].
>     ***Apart from this big step, Kort itself has some new features:***
>     - Upgrade to Sencha Touch 2.3 -> now all major browsers are
>     supported (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari)
>     - Thanks to our new database server, we can provide missions in
>     the USA as well (no more limits!)
>     - Our homepage kort.ch <http://kort.ch> is available in English,
>     too :)
>     Any remarks, comments, issues etc. are very welcome!
>     Best regards Stefan
>     [1] http://www.kort.ch/index_en.html resp. http://play.kort.ch
>     <http://play.kort.ch/>
>     [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kort-to-osm
>     [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy
>     [4] http://keepright.at <http://keepright.at/>
>     [5] https://github.com/kort/kort-to-osm
>     [6] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/osmapi
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