[Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

Kate Chapman kate at maploser.com
Wed Nov 18 00:26:06 UTC 2015


Hi Simon,

The groups releasing Geobadges "TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
American Geographical Society" are not large multi-million dollar US
organizations. None of them have highly paid in-house lawyers. Thank you
for pointing out the legislation, do you hangout on all of the other
country specific lists to point out legislation to people?

I was an active member of the community in 2009 and I'm unaware of any
specific discussions of this nature. There have been efforts to perform
outreach to high schools and scouts at least since that time. If something
was too sensitive to minute, then how is anyone supposed to know that is
the case?

-Kate







On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:

> Hi Kate
>
> The changes on Geobadges are naturally OK (in a way, more see below)  it
> just isn't backed up by measures on the OSMF side. Aka we don't do any age
> checking at all and I'm slightly concerned that addressing US youths and
> only having (whatever) enforcement for half of the equation is not such a
> good idea. I'm further slightly concerned that multi-million budget US
> based organisations, likely with dozens of highly paid in-house lawyers,
> need me to point out their local legislation to them.
>
> The more general, relevant for OSM, issue is that we should fix the
> problem properly where we can, given that sooner or later we wont be able
> to ignore it. And it seems that it is now "sooner".  Either arrange things
> that we are either exempt from getting consent from the parents, having a
> procedure in place for this to be documented or at least some measures in
> place that outline what the potential dangers are (doodling "my home" on
> the map has a different quality if a 60 year does it than a 10 year old) .
>
> To be clear: "I" don't want to exclude a 12 year old US resident that is
> interested in collecting  data in their neighbourhood from making surveying
> for OSM their hobby*, as a result I'm slightly unhappy with the above, but
> short term it is likely the only thing we can do.
>
> As to "people all over the world are encouraging teenagers": there are
> likely numerous other countries where their is similar legislation. it is
> simply that the US is a  well known case. The oldest discussions of this go
> back to at least 2009 (before I was an active member of the community).
> From the LWG side, if I'm not totally mistaken, the policy has always been
> to not specifically target children and youths. This may have been
> considered so sensitive that it was never minuted,, but the current and
> past board members that were involved are well aware of this.
>
> Simon
>
>
> * personal opinion as a parent is that I don't see a value in trying to
> get kids to spend even more time in from of a screen simply arm chairing,
> but going outside collecting stuff, great.
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 22:11 schrieb Kate Chapman:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People all over the
> world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to OSM, this has been on
> going for years. Steven removed the part which encouraged people under the
> age of 13. What is the issue?
>
> -Kate
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>
>> Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.
>>
>> Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch sub
>> 13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit, theoretically,
>> with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the foot- and
>> paperwork involved to find out and address any issues.
>>
>> I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be considered
>> problematic given general US paranoia on such topics, but I would consider
>> completely ignoring this a bit risky.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
>> community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
>> identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
>> GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:
>>
>> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify
>> the relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
>> Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
>> partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
>> achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
>> other digital badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
>> Credly, visit credly.com <http://credly.com/>.*
>>
>> *GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States.
>> Only individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content on
>> the site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please contact us
>> immediately at geobadges at americangeo.org <geobadges at americangeo.org>."*
>>
>> 2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be
>> marketed to under 13.
>>
>> Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards,
>>
>>
>> -- SEJ
>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>
>> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, *On
>> Nature, *Empedocles
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole < <simon at poole.ch>
>> simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related
>>> consequences of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF?
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>>>
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org
>>> and American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
>>> Surveyor I badge.[1]
>>>
>>> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is awarded
>>> for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on OpenStreetMap. We
>>> envision this badge to be the first in a constellation of more specialized
>>> badges based on skill sets, domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more
>>> info on the mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>>>
>>> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of the
>>> #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during OSMGeoweek
>>> will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to comment your
>>> changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find it.
>>>
>>> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>>>
>>> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
>>> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G <https://t.co/nfsoqNYFvW>
>>> -- SEJ
>>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>>
>>> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, *On
>>> Nature, *Empedocles
>>>
>>>
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