[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Slack

[Charlotte Wolter]

Frederick,

         Really nice discussion of the issues around using for-profit tools
in an open-source organization.
         I tend to think that we should use whatever tools we can afford or
get for free to make OSM data as good as it can get. The more we can do,
the more open-source data is available for the world. That's the goal, and
the quicker we can get there, the better.

Charlotte


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>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 21:24:07 +0200
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>Hi, On 03/29/2016 07:33 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
>
> > +1 to this. OSM should be seeking to broaden the base of potential
> > mappers, and that means making sure that gateways to the community are
> > user-friendly - which these days includes good UX/onboarding experience
> > and mobile apps.
>
>Slack is a clear winner there. As a side note, 
>this is also something commonly
>debated by the OSMF board and the OSMF members - whether or not, and in
>how far, non-free tools are valid to use for a 
>project like OSM and a foundation
>like the OSMF.
>Example of a recent discussion:
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2015-December/003639.html
>The spectrum of available services for a specific task usually ranges from
>"Non-free software offered as a service" (with 
>and without silo, with and without
>payment) over "free software offered as a serivce" to "free software you run
>yourselves". The paid-for solutions will usually 
>mean less work for the few admins
>at OSMF (who have enough work with keeping the 
>essentials running), plus they're
>usually shinier. The self-hosted stuff is often 
>less shiny but more in keeping with
>the free-and-open spirit.
>Personally I'm often on the fence as well. I'd 
>love there to be an "internal IT
>services working group" whom we could task with 
>setting up email, bug trackers,
>wikis, Mumble servers, and voting platforms as 
>needed but there's no such group
>and not enough capacity in OWG to shoulder that too.
>I think that OSM owes its success partly to all 
>those who were happy to use it when
>it was still much less usable than it is today. 
>Had everyone gone to Google because
>they had the slickest interface, then OSM wouldn't be where it is today.
>On the other hand, working groups or the board 
>tend to have a mission and while
>some detours for using free-and-open are 
>acceptable, there's a limit to just how
>much productivity loss you can accept for going with the less shiny.
>
>Bye
>Frederik
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