[Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 114, Issue 9

Valerie Anderson valerie at andersongeospatial.com
Mon May 15 14:06:26 UTC 2017


I live in Florida and this sort of thing is pretty common. We have rampant
development on a boom-and-bust cycle but probably if this was planned it
will be built eventually unless it is intentionally protected. I just
checked and it looks like part of the ranch was protected with Florida
Forever money in a straight-up purchase and the part that has the roads by
Eraque22 is going to be developed into a giant subdivision called Babcock
Ranch Community. Here the Fish and Wildlife website about it:
http://myfwc.com/viewing/recreation/wmas/cooperative/babcock-ranch-preserve

I've added the preserve boundaries in osm so you guys can see them.

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> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 09:58:00 +0200
> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
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> Subject: [Talk-us] Help needed, Babcock Ranch near Fort Myers, FL
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> Hi,
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>    DWG recently had a complaint from a property developer about a series
> of fictional roads South of Lake Babcock. I have removed them after
> checking with aerial imagery and after giving the original mapper a
> chance for comment. However, the whole "Babcock Ranch" area is
> cris-crossed with streets in OSM that are not even remotely visible on
> any of the available aerial images (and other roads that are on these
> images, are not in OSM).
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> This is the area:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/26.7888/-81.7157
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> Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)
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> I'll also ask the property developer if they have better information but
> of course nothing beats a field survey.
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> Bye
> Frederik
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> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:37:24 +0000
> From: Eric Ladner <eric.ladner at gmail.com>
> To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>, OpenStreetMap US Talk
>         <talk-us at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Help needed, Babcock Ranch near Fort Myers, FL
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> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:59 AM Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
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> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Maybe someone in the area fancies a fact-finding mission ;)
> >
> >
> Some of it actually shows up in the Charlotte county GIS system[1] (the
> stuff south of Lake Timber), and construction on the round-a-bout is
> visible on other *cough*Google[2]*cough* satellite imagery (just below Lake
> Babcock).  Construction on the now deleted roads to the left of Lake
> Babcock is also visible (as of Feb imagery).
>
> Most likely it's not vandalism or somebody using OSM for urban fantasy but
> some very early county GIS or planning data that was uploaded.  It likely
> should have been tagged at least as "proposed," though.  Some of it is at
> least a solid "construction" now.
>
> The imagery availble in JOSM via Bing looks pixel-for-pixel identical to
> imagery available elsewhere from 2010.
>
> [1] http://agis.charlottecountyfl.gov/ccgis/
> [2] https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7872318,-81.7380132,2180m/
> data=!3m1!1e3
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> Bye
> > Frederik
> >
>
> Eric
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